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MCFC BOB said:
Bilboblue said:
MCFC BOB said:
It was a foul and it deserved a yellow card, but not a red card. But from there Jose Mourinho showed exactly why he's above Ferguson at the moment - he reacted quicker to the red card than Ferguson did by sending on Modric, who changed the game, while Ferguson delayed Rooney's introduction further and further - and Ferguson ended up leaving it too late for his substitutions to make an impact.


I am convinced you try to be controversial for the attention Bob.
I've not read any post in this thread, I just made my contribution. Someone's even agreed with me further up the page. Are they being controversial for the attention as well, Bilbo? I didn't think so either.

There was outrage the other week after that West Ham game when two players were sent off for high-footed challenges and there's going to be outrage now, and rightly so. A high-footed challenge is a yellow card in English football, not a red, hence the reaction. The referee had an awful game tonight for both sides - in fact, the only decision he got right was not giving handball against Ramos when Van Persie's cross hit him and went out for a corner late on. After the red card I just think United were shocked into numbness and Mourinho took full advantage.

Was that controversial enough, buddy?

Isn't the Chumps League classed as 'European football' and so it doesn't matter if the English League is more lenient? In which case a high footed challenge is a red card. The West Ham game was pilloried in Europe because anywhere else those reds wouldn't have even been debated.

I'm not outraged by the red card tonight at all.
 
At least the ref has been consistent, sending off Balo and Nani for 'similar' offences.

I can pretty much guarantee that if the ref gave a yellow and United went through, the scene on here would be of uproar that the same referee deemed, rightly or wrongly, that the Balo and Nani incidents warranted different punishments.

What it could have been
"I have an image of a thread, a thread with the name 'Agenda'. I see the poster's name, it's blurry, it's coming into focus now....D....De....De Niro."

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RyanP3609 said:
Baby-faced Chiles even read out the definition for a sending off and it was endangering a fellow player, which Nani did. He shouldn't have his foot that high. And as many others have said, he moves his foot into Arbeloa when he connects. Then has the audacity to roll about on the floor like he'd been studded.
Chiles began by confusing "Violent Conduct" (which is off the ball) and "Serious Foul Play" (while challenging for the ball). For all they're paid, I can't see why presenters and pundits can't learn the rules - Shearer is getting the hang of it!

Anyone got the gif of the own goal and the offside just before it?
 
MCFC BOB said:
Caveman said:
I thought it was very harsh. I'd be very unhappy if that was a City player. Yellow card and a talking to, nine times out of nine and a half for that sort of thing.
Yep, basically my thoughts on the matter.
Both feet off the ground, no control over his momentum, studs showing, foot at chest height, straight red.
 
oakiecokie said:
mcmanus said:
I do love the headline I've just heard on the radio.... "Sir Alex was too distraught to speak to the media".

Fucking priceless.

Hahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.Now that I do find funny even if I disagree about the sending off.Karma springs to mind.

Never enjoyed listening to Talksport as much as tonight. The rag presenter is near tears at times then a few cock-ker-nees phoning in because a ref hasn't favoured them.

Brilliant. This night is funnier than than if they had been spanked 5 nowt. Never a red card but tough fucking titties.

They still crumbled like an under 11 side though. The pisscan was out thought by the special one. He'll be proper pissed tonight probably knocking fuck out of Lady Ferguson.
 
2sheikhs said:
MCFC BOB said:
Caveman said:
I thought it was very harsh. I'd be very unhappy if that was a City player. Yellow card and a talking to, nine times out of nine and a half for that sort of thing.
Yep, basically my thoughts on the matter.
Both feet off the ground, no control over his momentum, studs showing, foot at chest height, straight red.

Are you saying that this was on parr with NDJ`s tackle in the WC Final ???
Absolute bollocks.I just wonder what your opinion would have been had it been a City player ??? Ooppppppppppsssssss.Blue tinted glasses once again !!!!!!!!!!
 
Tom_mcfc said:
Anyone saying it was a red are on another planet. If a city player got sent off for that there would be uproar and agenda this and that.

Not that I care and im delighted he was sent off makes it even funnier. Can't get my head round everyone ignoring rafaels handball that stopped a goal and madrids perfectly good goal that got chalked off.

Not on twitter but can someone tweet Wayne for me. Vivaronaldo

Balotelli did and we accepted it
 
What I could not understand was from the minute the red came out their was not one song about our beloved city, I counted 30 chants about us tonight, really disappointed I expected at least 40
 
bobmcfc said:
Tom_mcfc said:
Anyone saying it was a red are on another planet. If a city player got sent off for that there would be uproar and agenda this and that.

Not that I care and im delighted he was sent off makes it even funnier. Can't get my head round everyone ignoring rafaels handball that stopped a goal and madrids perfectly good goal that got chalked off.

Not on twitter but can someone tweet Wayne for me. Vivaronaldo

Balotelli did and we accepted it

exactly, and most thought he was idiot for doing it
 
geez, has everyone forgotten fungus last season, regarding vinnie and his sending, or how the media completly ignored Evra's elbow on Micah, or Giggs taking Kun out from behind? *UCK them and their scum club who have got away with more shit in the last 10 years than there is room to write. They got lucky in the first leg, that luck ran out tonight, couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch shite hawks than them, lovely.
 
MCFC BOB said:
Caveman said:
I thought it was very harsh. I'd be very unhappy if that was a City player. Yellow card and a talking to, nine times out of nine and a half for that sort of thing.
Yep, basically my thoughts on the matter.

Maybe so in the PL.

But this is European competition and we KNOW they interpret things differently. Especially high tackles.

But you're right that Mourinho played the situation superbly whilst Taggart shouted/spat/pointed at everyone else. He and the team had lost that game there and then, despite them still being in a winning position when it happened.

They have a habit of capitulating when they're down to 10 men... I can think of 3 times including tonight (plus v us in the SF and the 1-6) when they've gone on to lose big games now by seeming to simply give up the ghost after losing a man.

Shithouses.

-)<br /><br />-- Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:22 am --<br /><br />
MSP said:
Just so you could know if some rag send you this pic, it was when vidic hit the post and when welbeck was in offside:

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Ramos is just trying to keep him onside...
 
oakiecokie said:
2sheikhs said:
MCFC BOB said:
Yep, basically my thoughts on the matter.
Both feet off the ground, no control over his momentum, studs showing, foot at chest height, straight red.

Are you saying that this was on parr with NDJ`s tackle in the WC Final ???
Absolute bollocks.I just wonder what your opinion would have been had it been a City player ??? Ooppppppppppsssssss.Blue tinted glasses once again !!!!!!!!!!

vinnie, mario and zabs have been sent of, for far , far less screw them.
 
ex-ref Graham Poll's take on the matter in the dailymail...

Nani's dismissal might have looked harsh, but United were lucky Rafael didn't see red too... and Rio could find himself in hot water after sarcastic applause at referee Cakir

Manchester United will feel robbed of the chance to progress in the Champions League and cite the dismissal of Nani in the 56th minute as the turning point of the game.
However, they should have had a player sent off just a few minutes after the Nani incident when a goal bound effort was blocked on the line by the arm of United full back Rafael.
Had Cuneyt Cakir merely cautioned Nani and dismissed Rafael then United fans would have felt hard done by - but not cheated as they did with the dismissal of Nani.

The Portuguese winger challenged for the ball with a raised foot and only had eyes for the ball but caught Alvaro Arbeloa. It looked like dangerous play and at worst a yellow card.
Cakir stood and waited for Nani to get up as he appeared to be injured from the challenge.
It is said that the best referees avoid surprises – this referee clearly does not agree with that and shocked the entire crowd at Old Trafford. However, I understand that the protection of players and ensuring their safety is drummed into UEFA referees at all seminars and with Pierluigi Collina, the European referees’ chief, sitting in the stand, Cakir will have felt enormous pressure to follow those guidelines.
Those elite UEFA referees watching will not have been surprised at the red card but the English ones would acknowledge they would not have dismissed a player for the same offence in a Premier League game.

Former United midfielder Roy Keane, analysing the incident, supported the red card and the more you watch the incident the more you can see why the Turkish referee decided that the red card was the appropriate sanction.
So, had Cakir been advised to dismiss Rafael as well, then Manchester United would have had just nine players and faced a penalty.
Cakir was having a superb game. He was almost faultless in the first half and despite the debate of the Nani red card he continued refereeing consistently through the game and would, I expect, be congratulated by UEFA on his performance.
Unlike Rio Ferdinand, who could well face a charge for his sarcastic applauding in the face of Cakir after the final whistle.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2288723/Rafael-sent-Nani-red-card--Graham-Poll.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -Poll.html</a>

Underneath this article on the site is something about the Utd/Bayern game in 2010 when Rafael got sent off and Bayern went through, quote from that "Ferguson was furious with referee Nicola Rizzoli's decision, claiming the official had been influenced by the Bundesliga side's players when they surrounded the Italian". The irony of him stating that when his teams have bullied ref's for years, even tonight surrounded the ref multiple times to have a pop.
 

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