Ramadan

Probably the most significant academic work on Islam to be published in recent times is this magisterial study by the late Shahab Ahmed. That's Mughal emperor Jahangir depicted on the cover, resplendent with a wine cup in one hand and the Qur’an in the other.

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I haven't read my copy yet. But here's how it starts off:

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There were once taverns throughout the Islamic world, thus demonstrating that the Quranic prohibition on alcohol has not always been strictly observed. Indeed, the Sufi mystics thought intoxication with wine brought you closer to Allah.

Plus, one of the most revered of all Muslim poets is the bisexual, hellraising, Shane MacGowan-like Abu Nuwas. In 1972 he was immortalized in bronze, wine glass in hand, and his statue was placed at the head of Abu Nuwas Street in Baghdad. Although I understand that the street was eventually renamed by the puritanical Islamist authorities, as far as I know it's still there. So it's lasted longer than the ones erected in honour of Saddam Hussein.

Here's a sample of his poetry:

'Take revenge on Ramadan,
With the fine wines aged in clay,
And spend Shawwal in revelry,
As the songstress plays,
May you be, without exception,
Drunk at least twice a day,
The months I find most agreeable,
Are from Ramadan furthest away.'

Shawal is the month that follows Ramadan in the Islamic calendar.

Although I haven't read Ahmed yet, I have just finished Juan Cole's recent biographical study of the Prophet, which is somewhat provocatively titled Muhammad : Prophet of Peace Amid the Clash of Empires. I say 'provocatively' because on X I have often seen Islam described as a 'religion of peace' sarcastically by anti-Muslim bigots. Well, in actual fact, according to Cole, it may have started off as just that. In case anyone wants to follow up on this, a pdf of the entire text can easily be found online.

But anyway, here's something intriguing that Cole states at the end of the book:

'The Qur’an shows evolution in its treatment of a few laws. It begins by forbidding Believers to come to prayers drunk, but later verses say there is more harm than good in alcohol. (It never did outlaw the latter, inasmuch as it mentions no punishment and, therefore, specifies no legal infraction.)'

Going back to Ramadan, there are several reasons why it is practised. One of them is because it can engender in Muslims a sense of what people who are poor and hungry/thirsty go through. At the end of Ramadan a payment is made by those who can afford it (I think it is called Zakat al-Fitr) to enable the poor to celebrate Eid al-Fitr, the festival that follows.

An obligatory payment of Zakat is also made at other times if I remember rightly. And the recipients would be ‘poor residents of Islamic lands, [who] irrespective of religion, could expect to be entitled to a portion of the government’s zakat-revenues’.
another interesting post, thank you.

if i might be so bold as to add one of my favourite poets,
omar khayyam.
i'm certain you will know his rubaiyat.

for those who don't know his verses...

he wrote 101 quatrains in 10th century muslim persia.
the point being,
most of them are about drinking wine.

i have a copy of edward fitzgerald's english translation,
(which in itself has become recognised as a separate entity and work of art)
with illustrations by edmund durac.
i highly recommend it.

(this is where @Blue Mist chirps up about omar's brother, victor,
the inventor of the razorblade)

"and david's lips are lockt: but in divine
high-piping pehlevi, with wine! wine! wine!
red wine! - the nightingale cries to the rose
that sallow cheeks of hers to incarnadine.

come, fill the cup, and in the fire of spring
your winter garment of repentance fling:
the bird of time has but a little way
to flutter - and the bird is on the wing.

whether at naishapur or babylon,
whether the cup with sweet or bitter run,
the wine of life keeps oozing drop by drop,
the leaves of life keep falling one by one".
 
well,
the siren has just sounded loudly.
everyone will be tucking in after a tiring first day.
i asked my mate which comes first, food or a spliff, hahaha.
he didn't reply to my message,
probably got a spoon in one hand and a joint in the other.

i went to the sunday market today as usual for fruit and veg and that,
people seemed happy enough but weary from the sun.

thankfully i'm not religious so my wine was opened much earlier.
i'll raise an extra glass for those who cannot partake,
any excuse :)
 
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On occasion, will it be impossible during Ramadan?
no, not impossible,
especially in the 2 cities you are going to,
but you will only be able to buy it in tourist restaurants and nightclubs
and you'll be paying upwards of £20 for wine that normally costs £4.

the offies and supermarket caves are closed for the duration.

i expect you are flying,
so stock up on duty free on the way here.
unless of course money is of no concern to you,
in which case pay the prices and sample gorgeous maroc wine :)
 
no, not impssible,
especially in the 2 cities you are going to,
but you will only be able to buy it in tourist restaurants and nightclubs
and you'll be paying upwards of £20 for wine that normally costs £4.

the off licenses and supermarket caves are closed for the duration.

i expect you are flying,
so stock up on duty free on the way here.
unless of course money is of no concern to you,
in which case pay the prices and sample gorgeous maroc wine :)
Thanks for that really useful to know .
 
i'll leave you with one final thought...

the story that the word assassin derives from hashish is utter bollox.

the returning crusaders spouted it and it stuck.

the reality is the name came from from followers of a fella called hassan,
hassan ibn-al-sabbah to be precise.

he seized a strategic castle in alamut, northern persia,
and formed a religious group called the ismalis in the 8th century,
from where he trained ruthless killers.
they would go out and infiltrate the noble families of the intended victims,
until they got close enough to finally strike.
(quite possibly the first known suicidal terrorists).

marco polo visited alamut and fell for the story.

after which dante was the first to use the word assassin in western literature in his divine comedy.

so there.
 
another interesting post, thank you.

if i might be so bold as to add one of my favourite poets,
omar khayyam.
i'm certain you will know his rubaiyat.

for those who don't know his verses...

he wrote 101 quatrains in 10th century muslim persia.
the point being,
most of them are about drinking wine.

i have a copy of edward fitzgerald's english translation,
(which in itself has become recognised as a separate entity and work of art)
with illustrations by edmund durac.
i highly recommend it.

(this is where @Blue Mist chirps up about omar's brother, victor,
the inventor of the razorblade)

"and david's lips are lockt: but in divine
high-piping pehlevi, with wine! wine! wine!
red wine! - the nightingale cries to the rose
that sallow cheeks of hers to incarnadine.

come, fill the cup, and in the fire of spring
your winter garment of repentance fling:
the bird of time has but a little way
to flutter - and the bird is on the wing.

whether at naishapur or babylon,
whether the cup with sweet or bitter run,
the wine of life keeps oozing drop by drop,
the leaves of life keep falling one by one".
I'm not making any comment after my ding dong comment was ignored



Ramadan -

ding dong

The Rubettes
 
if the hash they bought wiped them out for 8hrs it was indica.
the locals who speak english jokingly call it in-da-couch.

yep,
i had to nip into the emergency hossie last year,
they saw me immediately, unlike a uk a+e
and charged me £3 for my consultation.
and i know other foreigners who have barely been charged for fairly extensive treatment.
To be fair, I was paying shitloads of tax, so it should be free. But they didn't ask for any ID or anything.
 
All a bit backwards if you ask me , same with all the other people doing things that restrict their happiness in order to make their sky fairy believe they are more devout than anyone else.
On the contrary, intermittent fasting is one of the most effective ways to combat disease
Giving the internal body organs a rest from the constant barrage of sugar/ carbs etc which the western world seems to advocate
Nothing backwards about it at all,imo
 
On the contrary, intermittent fasting is one of the most effective ways to combat disease
Giving the internal body organs a rest from the constant barrage of sugar/ carbs etc which the western world seems to advocate
Nothing backwards about it at all,imo
Might be good for the body , but this is happening for religious not health reasons
 
On the contrary, intermittent fasting is one of the most effective ways to combat disease
Giving the internal body organs a rest from the constant barrage of sugar/ carbs etc which the western world seems to advocate
Nothing backwards about it at all,imo
Funny isn't it this society of wanting everything yesterday. Traditions such as fasting are showing their benefits even more so now.
 

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