Ref Watch

Stephen230 said:
Fully automated off side is never going to happen. A computer can’t ever decide if a referee considers a player in an offside position to be interfering with play or an opponent.
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As we saw earlier in the season neither can a referee!
 
Attwell has been pushed forward all through his career. Someone decided very early on in his refereeing career that he was going to be the 'new' golden boy, and they've done their damndest to enable it. Even after his correct demotion I was convinced he'd get back. He has, and he's as bad now as he ever was. From a refereeing perspective, he looks absolutely petrified, as though he doubts most of his own decisions. This automatically transfers to players and those scrutinising him, although patently not those decision makers who have thus far enabled his career.
I've always been a believer in the promotion system as club marks had a lot of effect on referee promotion, as they should when done correctly. In this case I firmly believe he is the beneficiary of some manipulation.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
You might be right with the law as it’s written at the moment. But that’s because the law is so badly written that two people can look at the exact same situation and come to completely different conclusions. I can’t stress how problematic it is for a law of the game to be that way.

You would have to adapt it to make it more precise when technology is in play. They can use machine learning based on referee training data to determine the criteria for “what an offside looks like”. Don’t forget they can make an AI’s rule-base way more complex than would be reasonable for a human to administer in real-time but designed to make decisions far more consistent. Stuff that is easy for computers to determine but hard for people, like:
1) does the interfering player move closer to the ball after the pass breaks the defensive line
2) does the interfering players vector cross the path of the ball
3) given the path, speed and distance travelled by the ball, is it possible for a defensive block moving across the path of the ball to have been intentional, thus resetting the offside. This is one that’s caused all kinds of problems.

This is all stuff which seems super complex for a person to assess (though they expect linesmen to do it all anyway). A computer can do it consistently, and objectively in fractions of a second.

Of course, back here on Earth I realise that what I’m asking for will never happen because if they haven’t figured out how to use a clock to track time properly then there is simply no hope.

Computers are literally built to execute rules the same way every time. If somebody is saying “a computer could never be expected to apply that rule” that is a strong hint that the rule is really shit.
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This cuts to the often repeated line that.. If it works so well in cricket and rugby, then why not football?

Apples and pairs. There’s no sport in the world to my knowledge where the laws of the game are so open to interpretation as they are in football. That might be seen as a bad thing in some regard. But it’s also one of the reasons why it’s far and away the most popular sport in the world.

Football is a contact sport. Nobody wants to change that to a basketball style rule book, where any contact between players is an offence. Likewise there has to be a point where acceptable physical contact crosses over into foul play. And for every single foul that has ever been given, if you look hard enough you’ll find an almost identical one that wasn’t.

That’s why some people will continue to believe that all referees are shit. Because you will never, ever get the consistency that people crave. It’s an impossibility. You can only hope that the better referees at least have a measure of consistency during any given game.
 
So the VAR official Michael Salisbury has been stood down after the spurs Brighton game,but yet the cnut Attwell is free to officiate this weekend says it all,wouldn’t be surprised he’s part of our game ..
 
blueandy1mac said:
Attwell has been pushed forward all through his career. Someone decided very early on in his refereeing career that he was going to be the 'new' golden boy, and they've done their damndest to enable it. Even after his correct demotion I was convinced he'd get back. He has, and he's as bad now as he ever was. From a refereeing perspective, he looks absolutely petrified, as though he doubts most of his own decisions. This automatically transfers to players and those scrutinising him, although patently not those decision makers who have thus far enabled his career.
I've always been a believer in the promotion system as club marks had a lot of effect on referee promotion, as they should when done correctly. In this case I firmly believe he is the beneficiary of some manipulation.
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Looking at his performances EVERY match I have seen him "referee" in, the above is absolutely spot on. He is literally clueless and totally inept.
 
Stephen230 said:
This cuts to the often repeated line that.. If it works so well in cricket and rugby, then why not football?

Apples and pairs. There’s no sport in the world to my knowledge where the laws of the game are so open to interpretation as they are in football. That might be seen as a bad thing in some regard. But it’s also one of the reasons why it’s far and away the most popular sport in the world.

Football is a contact sport. Nobody wants to change that to a basketball style rule book, where any contact between players is an offence. Likewise there has to be a point where acceptable physical contact crosses over into foul play. And for every single foul that has ever been given, if you look hard enough you’ll find an almost identical one that wasn’t.

That’s why some people will continue to believe that all referees are shit. Because you will never, ever get the consistency that people crave. It’s an impossibility. You can only hope that the better referees at least have a measure of consistency during any given game.
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........... Atwell................. wait, he is shit!
 
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