Ref Watch

I thought he was decent and certainly not biased against us like most. He wasn’t afraid to give us a pen, to send off Thomas the Tit, and he was even handed in his decisions. The pen against us was a joke but that’s more down to var and uefa than the ref.
 
Yes. It should be taken into account but it has never formed part of the actual laws of the game. The offence of handball is one short passage.

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There’s a document somewhere that I can’t immediately locate, issued by either the Premier League or the ( English ) FA, with multiple video examples of what they consider should be penalised and not penalised incidents. And they explain why, with reference to things like proximity, deflections and how the incident has affected play.

But it’s quite clear that UEFA for one are operating to a whole different level of standards. In fact they only seem one short step short of having every single touch of the ball on the hard or arm as being an offence.
This is clearly where the CL games differ. We've had several instances of a ball whispering past an elbowe, touching the hairs on the arm and, bingo, penalty! The judgement whether or not they have deliberately made their body bigger seems to be irrelevant. The Bayern guy didn't seem to stick out his elbow - he seemed to be making sure that the ball didn't hit him.
 
This is clearly where the CL games differ. We've had several instances of a ball whispering past an elbowe, touching the hairs on the arm and, bingo, penalty! The judgement whether or not they have deliberately made their body bigger seems to be irrelevant. The Bayern guy didn't seem to stick out his elbow - he seemed to be making sure that the ball didn't hit him.
And they seem to arbitrarily decided when to apply the rule at all.

United have a handball in their own box against Sevilla tonight, which is almost identical to Akanji’s last night, and there is no penalty given.
 
And they seem to arbitrarily decided when to apply the rule at all.

United have a handball in their own box against Sevilla tonight, which is almost identical to Akanji’s last night, and there is no penalty given.
I think in our case, the ref just wanted to be consistent. If the Upamecano one is a pen, so is the Akanji incident. That's my take.
 
I think in our case, the ref just wanted to be consistent. If the Upamecano one is a pen, so is the Akanji incident. That's my take.

Evening things up definitely comes into play on occasions. Even if it’s subconsciously. But I don’t think it was the case yesterday as the referee gave the City one and ignored Bayern’s, until the VAR told him to reconsider.
 
Not seen the Seville one that’s been mentioned. But seen the two West Ham ones, one given one not and they look the exact other way round to me.

The one in the first half that wasn’t given looks absolutely nailed on by UEFA standards. And the one that was given in the second half looks incredibly harsh. The guy slipped over and naturally moved his hand down to the ground to break his fall.

Only seen them once each though, so not really had a proper study of them.
 
Just noticed that Attwell is the PiGMOL representative selected for the game against Sheff Utd .

In view of some of his more memorable performances , not sure whether the game will be reduced to yet another example of pure farce and/or other questionable elements .

This **** should be nowhere near a football pitch in any capacity imo
 
And they seem to arbitrarily decided when to apply the rule at all.

United have a handball in their own box against Sevilla tonight, which is almost identical to Akanji’s last night, and there is no penalty given.
It's laughable that there's so much variation and yer can't help but feel that there's some 'notion' within a specific competition that yer can't give a penalty agains XYZ FC and yer can't award one to ABC FC. The way in which refs arrive at a decision from one game to the next, and often from one half of the same game to the next doesn't fill me with any confidence that they are masters of the situation.
 

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