Referees’ Performances | 2024/2025

meltonblue said:
I’m not sure that’s true. He was one of the linesmen in our game against Palace in the league a few weeks ago (and Gillett was the onfield ref).
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Referees’ Performances | 2024/2025​

The same ex player who wasn't allowed to officiate in the semi final because of his palace connections. Mind you years ago I was allowed to ref a man city ladies fa cup game even though they were fully aware I was a city season ticket holder at the time
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
The rules of football is that a goal keeper cannot handle the ball outside the 18 yard box, there’s no interpretation of it with if it’s a goal scoring chance. Is his hand in a position to avoid contact with the ball? No, he’s taking it away from Haaland’s outstretched foot intentionally.

In what world is that not deliberate hand ball and a red card? It’s manipulation of a game as Palace would have been playing for long periods with one player less. The club seems to be too nice with PGMOL when we end up on the wrong end of a horror show from the ref. The media lackies come out to bat for the dippers when it’s them but fuck all gets said when it’s us.
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If the last defender with only the goalkeeper behind him, deliberately handles the ball to stop a one on one with the keeper, then that is seen as preventing a goalscoring opportunity 99% of the time. The fact that the VAR didn't think ours was a goalscoring opportunity defies logical- explanation, when Haaland was about to create a one on none attack.

The bare minimum outcome for this should have been a referee review.

After the Fernandes offside goal, two years ago. Webb went on TV a couple of days later, in jovial mood, laughingly declaring that we would never see that decision given again.

It's all a big joke where City is concerned. Because of our success, or the narrative surrounding us, we are fair game for unfavorable treatment, and there are no consequences.
 
Fair play to Dermot on 'Ref Watch'. Usually bums his fellow refs as part of the referees union and backs whatever ridiculous decision they've come up to over the weekend.... however far-fetched the excuse is he fabricates for himself in order to do this. Definite sending off for him.

Even the dipper Warnock was fuming about it all. Bizarrely his sympathy lay more with the European places that had been lost elsewhere and not towards the opponents it directly effected. Seems it doesn't matter that City were cheated out of a trophy.... that's fine, it's just the injustice of Palace taking a European spot off somebody else to him. Past successes/or in Palace's case lack of them shouldn't come into it ffs.

The issue here is it wouldn't happen with the Rags or Dippers. If the unimaginable occurred and it did an apology would have already been issued. In the dippers case the culprits head would be on a stick and anybody connected with the officials wouldn't be involved in football again at the highest level.
 
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I expect Mr Webb will be quick to offer an abject apology, wearing a hair shirt, and will make arrangements for PGMOL to refund all City fans the cost of their tickets and travel costs.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
You can look at it two ways. One is it was a corrupt attempt to fuck us over and the other is they shat themselves at the thought of a goalkeeper being sent off early in an FA Cup final.
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Neither is a great look and both are arguably corruption depending on how we choose to define corruption.
 
Blueboy73 said:
If that's the case, why have an Assistant VAR?
It's naive to think Cann or any other Assistant VAR does't have any involvement.
They wouldn't be there or listed as a match official if they weren't involved.
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I’ve already put what their remit is.
 
meltonblue said:
Neither Atwell or Cann were predominately to blame (the former I don’t think was to blame at all).

Jarred Gillet is the main one to blame who made the wrong decision.
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Gillet should shoulder the blame, but surely he is being influenced by Cann, who is a much more experienced official. As someone else pointed out, Cann isn't there just to pass around the chocolate digestives.
 
meltonblue said:
This -

  • watching the television footage while the VAR is busy with a 'check' or a 'review'
  • keeping a record of VAR-related incidents and any communication or technology problems
  • assisting the VAR's communication with the referee, especially communicating with the referee when the VAR is undertaking a 'check'/'review' e.g. to tell the referee to 'stop play' or 'delay the restart' etc.
  • recording time 'lost' when play is delayed for a 'check' or a 'review'
  • communicating information about a VAR-related decision to relevant parties

The VAR referee is the one that makes the decisions.
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The VAR is undoubtedly ultimately responsible for the final recommendation. But to be fair, in a few of the cases where we’ve heard the audio, the AVARs haven’t been afraid to chirp up with advice.

The Haaland handball at Tottenham sticks in my mind. The VAR repeatedly said that he couldn’t see any evidence that the ball had definitively touched Haaland’s arm and seemed to be on the verge of recommending a goal. And then the AVAR suddenly pipes up with.. Yeah but is there any evidence that it definitely didn’t touch his arm? And to be fair to her, she was probably right.

I got the impression that the VAR had it in his mind that the referee had given a goal, rather than disallowed it, which he actually had.
 
Paladin said:
Gillet should shoulder the blame, but surely he is being influenced by Cann, who is a much more experienced official. As someone else pointed out, Cann isn't there just to pass around the chocolate digestives.
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I highly doubt it. People are overestimating Canns involvement and what the assistant var does, I’ve already posted their responsibilities.

As I said, he was linesman in the game against Palace only a few weeks ago too.
 
meltonblue said:
Neither Atwell or Cann were predominately to blame (the former I don’t think was to blame at all).

Jarred Gillet is the main one to blame who made the wrong decision.
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Jarred Gillett is a referee I had a high regard for. However, Haarland criticised him for disallowing a goal he scored against Spurs in February
 
East Level 2 said:
Hi Richard, I've not read all the thread but what was your opinion of the decision on Saturday? I'll invite @Vic to answer as well, as he is also a qualified referee.
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Absolute disgrace mate. Red card all day. The only reason the ball was heading away from goal was because Henderson swatted it that way. Despite what pgmol put out there is nothing in the laws that state "obvious ". It only has to be an opportunity to score. I don't blame the ref for not seeing it as it happened so fast but VAR should have bailed him out. Afterall I was there and didn't have a clue Henderson had handled it. Only knew exactly what happened at half time when friends started texting me.
To add to my disappointment I woke up on Saturday with a swollen ankle. No idea how I did it. Walked round Wembley all afternoon. This afternoon been to the hospital and they have confirmed my ankle fractured in 2 places
 
Eds said:
For those who say the assistant VAR has no influence I give you Sian Massey - Ellis. And the liner who said 'it's a handball by Haaland' from 40 yards away was one Darren Cann. He sees a handball from 40 yards through a couple of defenders but doesn't flag for an unobstructed view of one from half the distance!!
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Match Officials Mic'd Up: Why VAR couldn't overturn Erling Haaland handball decision

Speaking on Match Officials Micd Up, PGMOL chief Howard Webb explains why Erling Haalands goal against Tottenham Hotspur was disallowed for a handball in the build-up.
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They were going to reverse the on field decision and award the goal til she piped up…
 
richardtheref said:
Absolute disgrace mate. Red card all day. The only reason the ball was heading away from goal was because Henderson swatted it that way. Despite what pgmol put out there is nothing in the laws that state "obvious ". It only has to be an opportunity to score. I don't blame the ref for not seeing it as it happened so fast but VAR should have bailed him out. Afterall I was there and didn't have a clue Henderson had handled it. Only knew exactly what happened at half time when friends started texting me.
To add to my disappointment I woke up on Saturday with a swollen ankle. No idea how I did it. Walked round Wembley all afternoon. This afternoon been to the hospital and they have confirmed my ankle fractured in 2 places
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Ouch
 
Paladin said:
If the last defender with only the goalkeeper behind him, deliberately handles the ball to stop a one on one with the keeper, then that is seen as preventing a goalscoring opportunity 99% of the time. The fact that the VAR didn't think ours was a goalscoring opportunity defies logical- explanation, when Haaland was about to create a one on none attack.

The bare minimum outcome for this should have been a referee review.

After the Fernandes offside goal, two years ago. Webb went on TV a couple of days later, in jovial mood, laughingly declaring that we would never see that decision given again.

It's all a big joke where City is concerned. Because of our success, or the narrative surrounding us, we are fair game for unfavorable treatment, and there are no consequences.
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This. Said something similar yesterday and it's a fucking disgrace. Everybody on social media saying it's a red card, but it's City so it's side splittingly funny. Roles reversed and there'd be national outrage 'cheating again', '115... now 116', 'dirty oil money paying off the officials again' etc, etc.

Says it all when we have an unlikely ally in Mr Potato Head. Shows how much of a dreadful decision it was when he's kicking off like that and truly disgusted at the level of incompetence. Fair play to him, despite his understandable dislike of ourselves he wants the laws of the game applied correctly. That's what's more important to him than rivalry and should be for others.

What's more amusing is those calling it a 'win for football'. Not just direct rivals like Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea et al spouting it either. It wasn't a win for football, it was an injustice. Do fuck off and worry about your own irrelevant club instead.
 
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richardtheref said:
Absolute disgrace mate. Red card all day. The only reason the ball was heading away from goal was because Henderson swatted it that way. Despite what pgmol put out there is nothing in the laws that state "obvious ". It only has to be an opportunity to score. I don't blame the ref for not seeing it as it happened so fast but VAR should have bailed him out. Afterall I was there and didn't have a clue Henderson had handled it. Only knew exactly what happened at half time when friends started texting me.
To add to my disappointment I woke up on Saturday with a swollen ankle. No idea how I did it. Walked round Wembley all afternoon. This afternoon been to the hospital and they have confirmed my ankle fractured in 2 places
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The law states 'obvious goal-scoring opportunity'.

I'd still say red and Martin Samuel summed it up perfectly by stating Haaland's career stats, so the idea it wasn't an obvious opportunity into an empty net is ridiculous but it does give them enough of a grey area to pretend it was a reasonable decision.
 
bert's broken neck said:
Stupid question. Is it a straight red if the goalkeeper handles the ball outside his area? I remember Claudio Bravo getting sent off at Barcelona for catching the ball outside his area. Don’t think it was going in or a DOGSO but I could be wrong - it was a few years ago and I’m a bit of an FOC these days!
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I remember that too.
 
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