Referees/Officials 2017/18 performances

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Moss was appalling today, such a high profile game (by which I mean the main attraction on TV over the festive period when people are off work and a greater audience) should see him called out. He is too old, too overweight, and as a result was so far off the pace that he made awful decisions as he couldnt see them and actively got in the way of play because he was knackered and couldnt move to be where he should have been positionally. He touched the ball more in midfield than half the Palace players. And to give a penalty for that. fuck off Moss
 
You're at liberty to believe what you want. But if I told you that the club do buy this then you should be a little less trusting.

As ive said , if its proved theres more to it ill be happy to hold my hands up.

I realise you are party to more info than some of us... are the club looking into this on a legal basis of they dont buy that its just incompitence ?
 
Part of me wants to believe there is corruption. It would certainly explain a lot. But i dont buy that it is im afraid and just think its utter incomptetence by a referee who is not up to the job and is swayed by a partisan crowd and whos bottle went a bit.

If it comes out that the game is riddled ill be the first to apologise to you all.

Lets win it regardless of it
Simple question, why an incompetent ref is allowed to officiate at this level?
Who evaluates the refs performances?
 
As ive said , if its proved theres more to it ill be happy to hold my hands up.

I realise you are party to more info than some of us... are the club looking into this on a legal basis of they dont buy that its just incompitence ?
Why on earth would they want to do that? Sometimes its better to take it on the chin and move someone ruthlessly and silently away. Who would want to draw attention to shenanigans like that, that drags everything into the shitter, undermines the integrity of it for everyone, and opens up the club to accusations of all kinds? Better to just fuck someone off, as happened
 
Moss did a few thing that roused suspicions today, and are tactics that can be used to alter the outcome of a game in favour of a particular player or team. Very useful if someone was involved in spread betting.

Firstly, he seemed to purposely get in the way quite a lot, restricting our quick outlet ball from defence/midfield. This allowed Palace time to get back into position and restrict our attacking options.

Also, he seemed to let a lot of niggly tackles go for them.

Finally, he couldn't wait to give that penalty, and was always looking for the opportunity to stiff us. We didn't really allow them many opportunities, but first chance he got he took it.

As the posts above show, you only have to scratch the surface to find links to potential criminal behaviour.
 
I dont think there is any decent refs full stop which just magnifies the problem

The one in Bristol City v Wolves sent off a player for a tackle that was no worse than any of the ones highlighted here but everyone agreed it was correct. He got every other big call right as well. Time to retire some of the old guard.
 
Moss did a few thing that roused suspicions today, and are tactics that can be used to alter the outcome of a game in favour of a particular player or team. Very useful if someone was involved in spread betting.

Firstly, he seemed to purposely get in the way quite a lot, restricting our quick outlet ball from defence/midfield. This allowed Palace time to get back into position and restrict our attacking options.

Also, he seemed to let a lot of niggly tackles go for them.

Finally, he couldn't wait to give that penalty, and was always looking for the opportunity to stiff us. We didn't really allow them many opportunities, but first chance he got he took it.

As the posts above show, you only have to scratch the surface to find links to potential criminal behaviour.

Notice all the non free kicks for Zaha, right up until the penalty. Yet all had similar contact.
 
Simple question, why an incompetent ref is allowed to officiate at this level?
Who evaluates the refs performances?
Other refs, or ex ones. Do you really think that there will be an impartial arbiter of all things referee when they self police? It's a club, and you have to find your way into it by looking out for them and wanting to be there. Once in, the cycle repeats. A club.
 
Still stand by its just shite refereeing , he thought he saw something , he was conned, hes just a shit ref. I dont believe its corruption or cheating. Thinking he saw something and making something up are 2 entirely different things , shame you cant digest that. Maybe your pissed or something.

Sorry i dont share your views. And i really am off now as i find your thick as shit ways of trying to have a conversation boring.

Ill let you have the last word as i know it means a lot to you .... go .....

You can’t think you saw something, you either did or didn’t.

Ps... thanks for your consideration.
 
If the FA find a person guilty of diving/simulation charge in respect of penalty award

Is any card shown to the offending player for the challenge automatically rescinded?

If so is it different if yellow/second yellow or direct red card,

Finally if ref shows yellow or second yellow for dissent is that different as not directly

linked to challenge?
 
Happy New Year to all Blue Moon users. I posted this long set of ideas on Blue Vibe earlier.
Thanks for taking the trouble to plough through!

I have not posted for many years . Whilst I read every day and value the opinions and humour expressed on this site hugely, it is only the the treatment being dished out to our players over the past few weeks that has prompted me to re-activate my account. At least from a personal angle, there is I guess is one silver lining from a personal point of view.

In football terms, I don't mind being beaten fair and square but to be kicked off the pitch from game to game, with zero protection from poor and incompetent officials is too much.

In chronological order, Kane, Alli, Murphy, Dann and Puncheon should all have walked. (Dann arguably yellow, but he crocked Aguero at Selhurst Park last season so I won't split hairs). Kane, in the period for which he should have been banned, notched two hat traicks and is lauded by the blinkered media.

It has struck me for some time that the system of punshing player related misconduct on the field, and furthermore, the concept of bringing the game into disrepute if you are being paid to pass an opinion is not fit for purpose. There is I feel much to be gained by protecting the offended against team be it OVO or Manchester United. In that way, a more accurate and fair outcome is achieved. The business of 21st Century professional football is too big financially for it to be otherwise, and jobs are on the line at the whim of a poor decision.

1. Yellow Card.

The team that has been offended against should be the direct beneficiary of the offence. To achive that logical end there should be a sin bin in line with that used in Rugby Union. The length of time in the bin might reflect the type of offence. A foul tackle being worth more that kicking the ball away. The poster who pointed out on Blue Vibe earlier this evening that it is farcical that Sane's offence to be effectively treated in the same manner as Puncheon's, is totally correct. An accruement of a given number of cards could still result in a fixed term ban.

2. Suspensions.

In line with the above, a three match ban should be served as follows. The next two games in the season calendar, and the next game against the team who was offended against, regardess for who the offending player is representing. This should, if necessary carry over to the following season, in order to ensure that the "sinned against" team receives some degree of benefit.

3. Competition discrete bans.

When Luis Suarez was sent off for biting in a Premier League fixture, his 8 match sentence was partially served in cup ties, mainly a two-legged league cup semi-final. That is directly discriminatory against those league teams not involved in said cups. If one of their players were to have bitten an opponent, that player would miss eight league games. The current status quo is therefore not a level playing field. A sending off in an FA Cup Tie or League Cup Tie would result in them missing the next three F.A. cup ties for which that player is available.

4. Player Availability match by match scrutiny

There should be independent srutiny by expert football doctors of injured players. If a player is injured and unavailable, that match should not count towards his suspension.

5. Post match reviews.

Again, in line with Rugby Union, players should be able to be cited for any offence regardless whether, the referee, referee's guide dog, Uncle Tom Cobley or whoever did or did not see the incident. All games should be reviewed for the full 90 minutes by an independent panel sitting in isolation as per the current diving review. This is due to the fact that currently, a top six player or a player in a high profile match is more likely to receive the slo-mo MOTD trial by T.V. overseen by a non-official jury.

6. Bringing the Game Into Disrepute.

Comments made by players (e.g. Paul Pogba) or "pundits" (e.g. Danny Murphy....sadly one of the observers with a better than average record until his appalling inciteful remarks recently), should be banned in line with other offences, either from the pitch or the airwaves. Pundits who are paid to pass comment and print media journalists should sign up to a charter and agree to abide by rules that regulate their written comments and expressed views. In this way there is accountability for what they say and write.

7. VARs

The sooner the better. I have given up watching neutral matches because it is 90 minutes gone when I could be listening to Miles Davis to witness a result that is incorrect.

8. The F.A.

Tear it up..spit it out..start from scratch.


Happy New Year. We are watching an icredible team.
 
There's a document detailing the links between Hodgson, Moss & agent John Colquhoun but I don't have access to it.

I was chatting to you very, very briefly on twitter after the game about it.

My understanding of what has been claimed by FIF is JC is in bed with RH several years and this lead to RH including tons of his and close partners bang average clients in England squads to inflate their market price. This would then lead to those players being sold at vastly inflated prices to a lower tier cartel of clubs.

Now regarding a direct link between JM & RH, I don't know. But RH had some very interesting words post game, almost giddy at what happened in that penalty box. His wording isn't accidental, I suggest everyone seek it out.
 
I was chatting to you very, very briefly on twitter after the game about it.

My understanding of what has been claimed by FIF is JC is in bed with RH several years and this lead to RH including tons of his and close partners bang average clients in England squads to inflate their market price. This would then lead to those players being sold at vastly inflated prices to a lower tier cartel of clubs.

Now regarding a direct link between JM & RH, I don't know. But RH had some very interesting words post game, almost giddy at what happened in that penalty box. His wording isn't accidental, I suggest everyone seek it out.
And when you think about it, how many times have we said "How the hell is he in the England squad?"
 
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