Reflections on the past 7 years - foundations, hunger and regression

I think the difference is that now we as fans EXPECT to win trophies, under Mancini we WANTED to win trophies. The last season under Mancini was horrendous, I think a lot of people look past that. I remember going to Sunderland away, being a goal down and putting Lescott on upfront in the last few minutes when we had forwards on the bench. Defensively he was good - but attack wise we were awful.

Pellegrini's first season was frighteningly good - scored over 100 goals, won league and cup double, got further than ever before in CL. Last season we hadn't invested in our squad well enough to keep us ahead of the pack and unfortunately Pellegrini isn't tactically astute enough to keep us at the top with a poor squad (Which someone like Ferguson did for United). This season, we're in a cup final that we have a very good chance of winning, we should get further than we ever have done in Europe, we've integrated more young players to the squad and we are still in with a good shout of winning the league - all whilst having our captain out for most of the season and other key injuries like Aguero, Silva, Zabaleta, Nasri etc.

In Mancini's last season, there were dressing room bust ups and rumours of unrest in the camp - since Pellegrini has arrived it's all been rosey on that front. He's set the stage for Pep's arrival and although the league might be won by an underdog this year, you look at us compared to United/Liverpool/Chelsea/Arsenal/Spurs and you have to admit, we are comfortably in the best position moving forward. That's just in terms of our squad/on the pitch.

Off it we have CFA, the stadium expansion, New York/Melbourne, FFP has all but been abolished, revenues are up (and still projected to rise) to the point where we are making a profit, the Chinese investment. We have come so far in the last 3 years and will keep on growing moving forward.

I can see the reasoning behind your post, but I get the impression that you're looking back to Mancini with rose tinted spectacles, mate.

I wasn't. Genuinely. I was looking back to that period where we (for all those reasons stated) - were getting better. We got to the point of being better, and we haven't then got better again. If anything as articulated in my post, (in terms of those elements of our playing style) we are this season getting worse in my opinion.

Id also argue and again it wasn't some over simplified crude paying homage to Mancini - that whilst Mancini's final season was as I described catastrophic, Pellegrini won the league and cup with his squad. Absolutely. I gave him a lot of credit for the way he managed that - especially in the run in that year. But he's had longer, we've seen more players come in, and in my opinion we are now easier to beat.
 
I wasn't. Genuinely. I was looking back to that period where we (for all those reasons stated) - were getting better. We got to the point of being better, and we haven't then got better again. If anything as articulated in my post, (in terms of those elements of our playing style) we are this season getting worse in my opinion.

Id also argue and again it wasn't some over simplified crude paying homage to Mancini - that whilst Mancini's final season was as I described catastrophic, Pellegrini won the league and cup with his squad. Absolutely. I gave him a lot of credit for the way he managed that - especially in the run in that year. But he's had longer, we've seen more players come in, and in my opinion we are now easier to beat.

You say it was Mancini's squad but you're ignoring two of the key players in that success were Fernandinho and Demichelis not to mention the roles Negredo and Navas played.
 
You say it was Mancini's squad but you're ignoring two of the key players in that success were Fernandinho and Demichelis not to mention the roles Negredo and Navas played.

Come on. Ultimately, the core group of winners over the course of the season were Mancini's players.
 
I appreciate there have been probably over a few thousand posts on Pellegrini and this season alone, and its not my intention to create another Pellegrini thread but instead use this as an opportunity to reflect on the whole project over the past 7 years in particular, as a way of offering my own thoughts and to hopefully capture some of the key themes which I've read in the hundreds of posts read on here.

It is easy to romanticise about a particular historical moment and to pay nostalgic homage to it especially when the present is somewhat ambiguous. By ambiguous here I mean - some will perceive the defeat to Leicester as the moment the wheels finally came off and the sad reality that Pellegrini has taken 3 years to dismantle the work Mancini did in terms of building a defensive shape which allowed us to control and dominate football matches, in particular at home and in big games, whilst others will point to the fact we are still in 4 competitions and could go back to being 3 or 4 points off top by this time next week.

Ironically, I think that ambiguity has been one of the main ingredients which has subsequently divided fans here in terms of evaluating Pellegrini's era overall. In one sense, he won the double in his first season and then I'm at a League Managers Association dinner watching him inducted into its hall of fame over a year and a half ago for his contribution in doing so. Yet, he effectively won the double with Mancini's squad - and whilst managing it very well (however you want to phrase it - holistically, calmly etc) - it was ultimately Mancini's core group of players, the spine and mentality of having won the FA Cup and League previously regardless of the catastrophic end to Mancini's reign, which played a huge part in staying the distance when Liverpool fell at the final hurdle.

Football is in my opinion full of too many scientists who want to notate everything as a way of producing statistic after statistic which tells us who is likely to be more successful at (a), (b) or (c). I am not old fashioned, but there is something fundamentally intrinsic about trusting the judgement of football fans on the whole, especially those who share the same cultural identity and have lived the last 25 years or the last 7 years (or whatever). Self deception will always exist, but on the whole, I trust that most City fans are attending games at the moment feeling like something has changed - changed in terms of a trajectory which once felt like a rollercoaster of progress, desire and hunger to catch Utd, to be better than them, to rip down banners, and to go toe to toe with them at OT and beat them 6-1. To make a statement to football. (leave Pep to one side for a minute as I felt this long before we announced he had been appointed for July). This change has for sometime felt more stale, more static and at times more regressive than progressive.

Usually, when this sort of stuff is articulated, it inevitably leads to fans to throw up the old days - 'but we were shit, look how bad we were FFS, 2nd division, away days to York, playing in the auto windscreen shield etc', and this is the same nostalgia which masks the reality because all it does it divide based on a perception of who has been here the longest, or who is a greedy bastard as opposed to the self deprecating humility we once identified with when Utd won everything.

Ultimately, this project - since the owner took over, has always been about progress. It has always been about creating the foundations for City to be a sustainable long term successful football club and brand globally. Others document this far better than I can here - but the purpose of my post is to reflect over the past 7 years and to try and characterise how this project has undergone different transformations, whether it be signing Robinho to make a statement, replacing Hughes with Mancini, bringing in Txiki and Soriano, dealing with FFP, establishing partnerships, building the brand in New York, Australia, China, and creating the new academy etc.

In terms of just the football on the pitch however, I think we have seen a change in ambition, hunger, mentality and progression. I fully appreciate the challenges FFP posed, but when Mancini was building that squad, he also established a mentality - a winning mentality. He wasn't perfect, he had flaws, but it took a lot of work to lay that foundation, to win a major trophy, to keep playing until the last kick of the season and overcome the impossible. It felt like we were moving forward upward to a period of dominance. Not forever. Not in some arrogant greedy fashion which meant we forgot how far we had come and from where, but it felt like this was our era. In some ways, you might say it has been. We have certainly had the best squad in the PL for a good few years now, and most fans look to us still as the dominant team who should win the PL. But we haven't dominated. We haven't had one season. One season where we really dominated and made a statement. I fully appreciate the injuries. The nature of them. And to those particular players. But we have still struggled regardless.

In hindsight right now - I think we have missed that opportunity to dominate and watching City this season feels a long way from that sense of progression, hunger, desire to get to the top of the tree. Its sort of like we climbed the mountain but didn't fancy staying on the peak too long. I'm not talking about dominating the league for 10 years or winning 6 or 7 consecutive titles. Football has changed. But the defensive work Mancini did do and the organisation, shape, discipline has absolutely gone. I'm not over simplifying it and saying Pellegrini is a disastrous failure because it is a fine line and it is an ambiguous position we find ourselves - and a week is a long time in football, but that feeling and that judgement is something I think fans come to independent of league tables, or stats of how many games we have lost, or how many goals conceded in comparison to previous years.

The next stage is Pep. And Im fascinated how this will evolve. Because I think and hope, that it becomes the sort of progressive feeling that I and Im sure others felt during those early Mancini years. The context is different. Because we are already established. But I'm trying to remember the last absolute top class player we've signed for a while now bar De Bruyne. And so the next context, will hopefully be Pep taking us onto the next level, the one I thought and hoped we'd have hit before now, but I guess upon reflecting as I write this, we probably weren't ready for it as a football club. I'm hoping we now are. And that he will take some players onto that next level with him, and some new additions who will freshen things up for us (that will include replacing Yaya etc).

But I'm still left with this feeling of regression rather than progression at the moment. And I just don't see the hunger, the desire, the positivity, the cockiness (in a good way), the belief amongst fans on the whole and the players on the pitch in the way I did a few years ago. It feels as though we are losing more games, it feels as though we are more vulnerable on the counter attack, more vulnerable in midfield, have less control, are less disciplined in defence, and these are big areas to address once they set in over a period of time.

Good post nice for someone to post something without hyperbole or soundbites. That said I disagree to some extent. Surely announcing Pep is a clear sign of progress ? We qualified top from our champions league group for the first time and could likely progress further in the competition than we have before. Its very relavant based on previouss history that this season is not done with. I daresay you could have posted this with 8 games to go in 2012 the year we won the league.

I would equally argue that the fans mentality has not progressed in 7 years. History should have taught us that drawing any kind of conclusion on progress or otherwise is pretty pointless until the season is done.
 
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It feels like we've been treading water for a year and a half now. The pending Pep era can't come quick enough. However, a lot of the problem right now has been down to loooong injuries to key players and this will prove unsustainable. That said, the Leicester thing was one hell of a nasty wake-up call, which we should learn from and never let happen again. Stoke and Liverpool debacles were alnost as bad. Roll on June.
 
Good post nice for someone to post something without hyperbole or soundbites. That said I disagree to some extent. Surely announcing Pep is a clear sign of progress ? We qualified top from our champions league group for the first time and could likely progress further in the competition than we have before. Its very relavant based on precious history that this season is not done with. I daresay you could have posted this with 8 games to go in 2012 the year we won the league.

I would equally argue that the fans mentality has not progressed in 7 years. History should have taught us that drawing any kind of progress or otherwise is pretty pointless until the season is done.

Fair point. Genuinely.

It still 'feels' as though we are easier to beat. Easier to play against. Easier to counter. Easier to penetrate. More so than in 2012 before the successful run in.
 
Fortress Etihad is a fortress no more. It is a horrible, queasy feeling to be going into a home game this weekend expecting to lose. A flashback to the bad old days. Thank God Pellers is dead man walking.
 
We would not have won any of our league titles without Kompany, Aguero, Nasri and Silva for much of the season.

Pellegrini's selection of some players just amazes me, but you also have to acknowledge that we are playing without our best players, and at the start of the season we were flying.
 
We would not have won any of our league titles without Kompany, Aguero, Nasri and Silva for much of the season.

Pellegrini's selection of some players just amazes me, but you also have to acknowledge that we are playing without our best players, and at the start of the season we were flying.
I agree, Marvin, but in a way that in itself is a worry. We'd be mid-table without those first five victories.

This medical team want sacking as well. Bony was injured once in three years when he was a Swansea player and Navas was never injured in his life. WTF is going on, precisely?
 
I look forward to the seasons when there is no summer tournament as a prelude, like this one. Players coming back late for pre season is never great preparation and a poor start to a season can be difficult to arrest. Having got that season we have had horrendous injuries. I won't say bad luck as Nasri, Silva, Aguero get hacked to high heaven most weeks, (noting that Silva's main injury was caused by a Luxembourg thug whilst he was in a Spain shirt). Injuries coupled with old Father Time is catching up with this group of players. What amazes me is whenever anybody makes this point, it is usually dismissed with a comment like, 'it's up to the manager to get the best out of the players available!' This core of players remind me of General Custers troops desperately trying to hold out for reinforcements!
Well.... The relief force ain't due until the summer. Until then we have to just support our blue shirted heroes and join em in the trenches. Cue Hollywood styley over music.
 
I would have liked us to be in a better position for Pep's arrival.
But we are where we are. We are not scum who believe in divine right to win.
The Future is blue!!!!
 
Personally I am not sure you can entirely separate the football (domestic) from the overall progress of the club. Under Mancini there was a fierce drive to get to the top in the shortest time possible (in part because of FFP) and at times it was a fraught but ultimately glorious ride. Once we got there we changed direction with F&T coming on board to run the club. At this point we have gone into a sort of holding pattern whilst we battled with FFP and made do with Pellers until we could get Pep on board.

This holding pattern is decaying rapidly and whilst it has been frustrating for over a year now I think it will prove to be worthwhile even if we end up potless again. The state of the club off the pitch, the finances, the academy etc., means Pep walks into a fantastic set up and will breathe new life into our football.

Simply going by our form for a season and a half I do not expect to win the title. Hell I don't even expect us to beat Spurs on Sunday and if we don't I am sure I will be on here ranting with everyone else because I have lost all patience with the team and the management. But I do know that it's all a bit academic because in June shit starts getting serious.
 
I appreciate there have been probably over a few thousand posts on Pellegrini and this season alone, and its not my intention to create another Pellegrini thread but instead use this as an opportunity to reflect on the whole project over the past 7 years in particular, as a way of offering my own thoughts and to hopefully capture some of the key themes which I've read in the hundreds of posts read on here.

It is easy to romanticise about a particular historical moment and to pay nostalgic homage to it especially when the present is somewhat ambiguous. By ambiguous here I mean - some will perceive the defeat to Leicester as the moment the wheels finally came off and the sad reality that Pellegrini has taken 3 years to dismantle the work Mancini did in terms of building a defensive shape which allowed us to control and dominate football matches, in particular at home and in big games, whilst others will point to the fact we are still in 4 competitions and could go back to being 3 or 4 points off top by this time next week.

Ironically, I think that ambiguity has been one of the main ingredients which has subsequently divided fans here in terms of evaluating Pellegrini's era overall. In one sense, he won the double in his first season and then I'm at a League Managers Association dinner watching him inducted into its hall of fame over a year and a half ago for his contribution in doing so. Yet, he effectively won the double with Mancini's squad - and whilst managing it very well (however you want to phrase it - holistically, calmly etc) - it was ultimately Mancini's core group of players, the spine and mentality of having won the FA Cup and League previously regardless of the catastrophic end to Mancini's reign, which played a huge part in staying the distance when Liverpool fell at the final hurdle.

Football is in my opinion full of too many scientists who want to notate everything as a way of producing statistic after statistic which tells us who is likely to be more successful at (a), (b) or (c). I am not old fashioned, but there is something fundamentally intrinsic about trusting the judgement of football fans on the whole, especially those who share the same cultural identity and have lived the last 25 years or the last 7 years (or whatever). Self deception will always exist, but on the whole, I trust that most City fans are attending games at the moment feeling like something has changed - changed in terms of a trajectory which once felt like a rollercoaster of progress, desire and hunger to catch Utd, to be better than them, to rip down banners, and to go toe to toe with them at OT and beat them 6-1. To make a statement to football. (leave Pep to one side for a minute as I felt this long before we announced he had been appointed for July). This change has for sometime felt more stale, more static and at times more regressive than progressive.

Usually, when this sort of stuff is articulated, it inevitably leads to fans to throw up the old days - 'but we were shit, look how bad we were FFS, 2nd division, away days to York, playing in the auto windscreen shield etc', and this is the same nostalgia which masks the reality because all it does it divide based on a perception of who has been here the longest, or who is a greedy bastard as opposed to the self deprecating humility we once identified with when Utd won everything.

Ultimately, this project - since the owner took over, has always been about progress. It has always been about creating the foundations for City to be a sustainable long term successful football club and brand globally. Others document this far better than I can here - but the purpose of my post is to reflect over the past 7 years and to try and characterise how this project has undergone different transformations, whether it be signing Robinho to make a statement, replacing Hughes with Mancini, bringing in Txiki and Soriano, dealing with FFP, establishing partnerships, building the brand in New York, Australia, China, and creating the new academy etc.

In terms of just the football on the pitch however, I think we have seen a change in ambition, hunger, mentality and progression. I fully appreciate the challenges FFP posed, but when Mancini was building that squad, he also established a mentality - a winning mentality. He wasn't perfect, he had flaws, but it took a lot of work to lay that foundation, to win a major trophy, to keep playing until the last kick of the season and overcome the impossible. It felt like we were moving forward upward to a period of dominance. Not forever. Not in some arrogant greedy fashion which meant we forgot how far we had come and from where, but it felt like this was our era. In some ways, you might say it has been. We have certainly had the best squad in the PL for a good few years now, and most fans look to us still as the dominant team who should win the PL. But we haven't dominated. We haven't had one season. One season where we really dominated and made a statement. I fully appreciate the injuries. The nature of them. And to those particular players. But we have still struggled regardless.

In hindsight right now - I think we have missed that opportunity to dominate and watching City this season feels a long way from that sense of progression, hunger, desire to get to the top of the tree. Its sort of like we climbed the mountain but didn't fancy staying on the peak too long. I'm not talking about dominating the league for 10 years or winning 6 or 7 consecutive titles. Football has changed. But the defensive work Mancini did do and the organisation, shape, discipline has absolutely gone. I'm not over simplifying it and saying Pellegrini is a disastrous failure because it is a fine line and it is an ambiguous position we find ourselves - and a week is a long time in football, but that feeling and that judgement is something I think fans come to independent of league tables, or stats of how many games we have lost, or how many goals conceded in comparison to previous years.

The next stage is Pep. And Im fascinated how this will evolve. Because I think and hope, that it becomes the sort of progressive feeling that I and Im sure others felt during those early Mancini years. The context is different. Because we are already established. But I'm trying to remember the last absolute top class player we've signed for a while now bar De Bruyne. And so the next context, will hopefully be Pep taking us onto the next level, the one I thought and hoped we'd have hit before now, but I guess upon reflecting as I write this, we probably weren't ready for it as a football club. I'm hoping we now are. And that he will take some players onto that next level with him, and some new additions who will freshen things up for us (that will include replacing Yaya etc).

But I'm still left with this feeling of regression rather than progression at the moment. And I just don't see the hunger, the desire, the positivity, the cockiness (in a good way), the belief amongst fans on the whole and the players on the pitch in the way I did a few years ago. It feels as though we are losing more games, it feels as though we are more vulnerable on the counter attack, more vulnerable in midfield, have less control, are less disciplined in defence, and these are big areas to address once they set in over a period of time.

Really appreciate your post. It's been a good read. Now I understand how this feeling of regression comes from more.

My view is a bit different though, mostly due to similar reasons mentioned by Manchester 33. The recent matches are indeed very frustrating, but when I think back, some of the football we played were truly amazing. The 2013/14 campaign, December and May last season as well as earlier this season, well, let's just say it sometimes left me in awe. In many of those matches, the football we played were really free-flowing and we always seemed to be in control. Back in September, I thought if we could continue our performance all season, we would then truly dominate the league. But alas, injuries prevented that from happening.

Agreed on us being less disciplined than 4 or 5 years ago though. But it may have been a trade-off of more freedom in attacking. Although we should have been able to have both defensive discipline and attacking prowess, it is still happy as a fan to see a more fluent City attack. So in that sense I think we have progressed a little bit (barring the last 3 months of course).

Season to season we may not have improved in leaps and bounds after winning the league back in 2012, but as explained by others, City is still a better team now compared with three years ago, albeit not much I'll admit. However, once you reached a certain level, it is much harder to make progress unless a great push is given. And this great push is coming in July!

As for hunger and desire, I believe the players still wanted to win as much as before, but such desire is not expressed as overtly as before. Back then they were not sure if they could win this, but they wanted it desperately, so the sense of hunger emanated from them was very strong. Now they had won it twice, they expected they had the ability to win it so winning turns from being an extraordinary feat to almost a necessity. If they lose, they will consider themselves a failure. If they win, they will be very happy. But they will not be as ecstatic as when they have first won it. This shows in the players' body language, so it seems as if they were losing that spark, but they are just trying as hard to win before. And lately the apparent disinterest is probably due to injuries and loss of confidence from a series a bad results. Sometimes I felt that City is quite a melodramatic team. We could climb to the top and boom, without any signs, fall down again. But then at the point of hopelessness, we bounced back. Many have labelled the Leicester game as the point of collapse, so maybe it's also a turning point for us, the beginning of a new cycle of progression.

(I guess I'm not doing a very good job on explaining why players still want to win very much here, but I think it is a bit similar to the mentality Spain in 2008-2012. The final outcome would of course be different because the two teams are after all very different.)
 
Fair point. Genuinely.

It still 'feels' as though we are easier to beat. Easier to play against. Easier to counter. Easier to penetrate. More so than in 2012 before the successful run in.

But is an unfair comparison because the league is infinitely tougher and has a lot more depth of quality due to the increased funds available to more premier league clubs.

The other challenge we have faced that hasnt helped is the 2-3 years where we couldn't invest in the Silva's Tevez, Yaya's of this world and I definitely think that has hindered the squad development. That only changed last summer. As a blue I think it's churlish in the extreme to moan about the club's progress and direction personally.
 
Really appreciate your post. It's been a good read. Now I understand how this feeling of regression comes from more.

My view is a bit different though, mostly due to similar reasons mentioned by Manchester 33. The recent matches are indeed very frustrating, but when I think back, some of the football we played were truly amazing. The 2013/14 campaign, December and May last season as well as earlier this season, well, let's just say it sometimes left me in awe. In many of those matches, the football we played were really free-flowing and we always seemed to be in control. Back in September, I thought if we could continue our performance all season, we would then truly dominate the league. But alas, injuries prevented that from happening.

Agreed on us being less disciplined than 4 or 5 years ago though. But it may have been a trade-off of more freedom in attacking. Although we should have been able to have both defensive discipline and attacking prowess, it is still happy as a fan to see a more fluent City attack. So in that sense I think we have progressed a little bit (barring the last 3 months of course).

Season to season we may not have improved in leaps and bounds after winning the league back in 2012, but as explained by others, City is still a better team now compared with three years ago, albeit not much I'll admit. However, once you reached a certain level, it is much harder to make progress unless a great push is given. And this great push is coming in July!

As for hunger and desire, I believe the players still wanted to win as much as before, but such desire is not expressed as overtly as before. Back then they were not sure if they could win this, but they wanted it desperately, so the sense of hunger emanated from them was very strong. Now they had won it twice, they expected they had the ability to win it so winning turns from being an extraordinary feat to almost a necessity. If they lose, they will consider themselves a failure. If they win, they will be very happy. But they will not be as ecstatic as when they have first won it. This shows in the players' body language, so it seems as if they were losing that spark, but they are just trying as hard to win before. And lately the apparent disinterest is probably due to injuries and loss of confidence from a series a bad results. Sometimes I felt that City is quite a melodramatic team. We could climb to the top and boom, without any signs, fall down again. But then at the point of hopelessness, we bounced back. Many have labelled the Leicester game as the point of collapse, so maybe it's also a turning point for us, the beginning of a new cycle of progression.

(I guess I'm not doing a very good job on explaining why players still want to win very much here, but I think it is a bit similar to the mentality Spain in 2008-2012. The final outcome would of course be different because the two teams are after all very different.)
What a thoroughly well thought out post this is. A smashing read..super!!
 
Iv'e really enjoyed reading this thread this afternoon at work and again tonight. It's refreshing to see two sides of an argument discussed in a civil manner with points both ways being made well. I genuinely feel that FFP and injuries have held our progression these last two years and I genuinely believe Manuel has done well operating under such difficulties. I wouldn't say we have regressed though, more marked time which has allowed the gap to close.

We all hope we can get fitness and form back soon to try and become top dog again in May, whether we do or not only time will tell.

What we all should be rejoicing at is that we are probably one of the worlds best run clubs with a manager coming in the summer who will sort the wheat from the chaff and get the team on another forward trajectory.
 
Yeah, I don't disagree too much with you. I think your point is valid.

I would just say the 'feeling' part is not only about progress in the way you capture well (the huge drive forward to that climactic moment) but also in terms of how we play (taking into account all those details such as injuries and everything else). The feeling in that context being - more vulnerable. I don't think its simply 'time' and 'evolution' which have facilitated this - I understand the philosophies of the managers are very different, but controlling games tactically I felt was also a metaphor for us controlling the league, controlling any ambition of other clubs who fancied knocking us down. I feel we are much easier to play against right now. And have been becoming this slowly for a few years.

Good post mate. The word "progression" is a difficult one because Pellegrini is taking over a title winning squad, there isn't much room to progress after that. It's about maintaining starndards more than anything else.

But the best way I can sum up my agreement with the OP is this. From 2011-13 I went in to every single home league game convinced we would win. I didn't care if it was Chelsea, Arsenal, The Shite, whoever. I went in convinced there is no way they can beat us at our place 11v11, no chance.

I now go in to big games fearing the worst. When I saw our starting 11 on Saturday I thought we'd get beat. I'm convinced he's going to stick to 4231 at the weekend. Play Delph left wing. Fernando as one of two CMs and Yaya as a number 10. If he does those things, I think we'll get beat again.

Without question we are not as good as we were relative to the teams around us. Some may argue the competition has got better. But are Leicester City and Spurs better than Chelsea under Ancelotti and The Shite under Fergie? Not for me.

We've just gone backwards. Despite having better players.
 

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