Reform 2025 Limited new name same business

I'm With Stupid said:
Perhaps. I think it'll be really interesting to see what happens when they actually start voting on things. For example, if Labour say they're going to remove interest on student loans, will the Reform MPs actually vote for the thing they put in their manifesto?
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hope they've remembered the beer mat they wrote them all on, mind you the ink might be smudged with all that ipa they spilt
 
johnnytapia said:
For Reform read Front National in France.
They’ll (Reform) be a major player in 10-15 years.
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Don’t think so.

UKIP 2015: 3.8m votes - 12.6%

Reform 2024: 4m votes - 14.3%

And that’s with a complete Tory collapse.

Doesn’t look much like progress and they’re really not a ‘new’ party.

Also
UKIP 2015 - second in 120 constituencies

Reform 2024 - second in 98 constituencies

Actually, a clear step backwards in FPTP terms
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I just don't get it. How come populism is so popular?
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It’s easy to get across. We are great.We are patriots and this is our country. They are making us shit. You would be great if they weren’t here. You would be richer. They are taking over. Your kids would be better at school without so many children who don’t share our values. We need to get rid of them. Then we need to get rid of anyone who doesn’t want us to get rid of them. Don’t believe the press. We need to control the press. We need to get rid of elements that question the truth. They are traitors. We need to return our culture. We need to swear allegiance to the leader. Pick up your brown shirt and tell us where all the gay people you know live.

Where do we sign, shout so many,
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Don’t think so.

UKIP 2015: 3.8m votes - 12.6%

Reform 2024: 4m votes - 14.3%

And that’s with a complete Tory collapse.

Doesn’t look much like progress and they’re really not a ‘new’ party.

Also
UKIP 2015 - second in 120 constituencies

Reform 2024 - second in 98 constituencies

Actually, a clear step backwards in FPTP terms
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That’s a good analysis. That 2015 UKIP 2nd place is very interesting- a precursor to what happened the following year maybe?

I do think though that the big change in next 5-10 years will be the possible split in the Tory party. And Reform (or whatever moniker they change to) will benefit hugely from that.

In France the PS went from President to virtually nothing in the space of one presidential term. There’s a distinct possibility the Tories could do the same. And Reform do an FN /RN surge. I think it will happen (I also thought the Tories would win this GE so that shows how accurate I can be!)
 
johnnytapia said:
That’s a good analysis. That 2015 UKIP 2nd place is very interesting- a precursor to what happened the following year maybe?

I do think though that the big change in next 5-10 years will be the possible split in the Tory party. And Reform (or whatever moniker they change to) will benefit hugely from that.

In France the PS went from President to virtually nothing in the space of one presidential term. There’s a distinct possibility the Tories could do the same. And Reform do an FN /RN surge. I think it will happen (I also thought the Tories would win this GE so that shows how accurate I can be!)
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It's worth remembering that ukip collapsed in a never ending stream of racism, scandal and infighting.

Farage learnt his lesson and there is zero power beyond him and Tice. But they are set up to be a one man show, even so the scandal, racism and infighting will come.
 
Gareth Barry Conlon said:
It's worth remembering that ukip collapsed in a never ending stream of racism, scandal and infighting.

Farage learnt his lesson and there is zero power beyond him and Tice. But they are set up to be a one man show, even so the scandal, racism and infighting will come.
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At the moment it does look like a millionaires' project set up to serve/aggrandise said millionaires.

Griftocrats.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Don’t think so.

UKIP 2015: 3.8m votes - 12.6%

Reform 2024: 4m votes - 14.3%

And that’s with a complete Tory collapse.

Doesn’t look much like progress and they’re really not a ‘new’ party.

Also
UKIP 2015 - second in 120 constituencies

Reform 2024 - second in 98 constituencies

Actually, a clear step backwards in FPTP terms
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It’s completely different circumstances though. I’d argue the ukip vote and what came after it led to brexit as well, so I wouldn’t rule the nut jobs out
 
edinburgh123 said:
Unfortunately you are showing a complete and utter lack of understanding of the basics of how medicine and as such the NHS works. NHS inflation runs at a much higher rate than natural inflation. What does this mean to the layman? As every year goes by new “inventions” (look at the Covid jabs as a recent example) come up. But most of these take years of research and that costs money. The pharmaceutical company then typically gets a patent where only they can sell it for 20 years. So all these new drugs cost lots of money as they get their costs back and make a profit. NHS costs therefore go up exponentially because each of these new drugs can ave and elongate life
And as for your “I eat healthy” crap, what does that mean? Does that make you immune from heart attacks, or being run over by a bus or getting a bad dose of Covid etc etc. ??
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I lost you after the first sentence so just read the bottom. I am sure being obese you have more of a chance of having a heart attack so yeh i have a better chance of not having one as I keep fit than someone obese.
 
GornikDaze said:
I exercise I eat healthy I don’t smoke I don’t drink. I’ve just come home from a second op on a skin cancer issue done by the NHS - it’s an amazing service
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well sorry to hear you have skin cancer. What I am saying is about obesity which causes alot of health problems which is a big strain on the NHS.
 
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