Reform 2025 Limited new name same business

[BigJoe#1]

Name one costed policy proposal to make things better.

Charge for NHS services via insurance?
Raise basic income tax liability to £20k before you start paying? How will that be paid for?

They say shit headlines that do not stand up to scrutiny but thats fine I suppose lets face it cast your vote for a negative prospect with zero plans and then wonder how no plans don't change your life?

Like the costed policies in the last Labour manifesto.... you're avin' a laff. That would be proper funny if it wasn't so serious... You carry on looking toward Rayner and Reeves and Lammy for your inspiration, but here's a heads up for you.... its all lies.

All Labours policies were costed weren't the and now they have no money so they increase taxes they said they wouldn't do, increase energy prices even though we are paying some of the highest charges on the planet and load us wiyh even more energy costs to trundle in a stupid, ineffective net zero policy..... You really can not make this shit up. Do I want more of these lies and false promises. The answer is NO.... but let another shit party have a go because they couldn't possibly fuck it up any more than the Tories and Labour have done.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Like the costed policies in the last Labour manifesto.... you're avin' a laff. That would be proper funny if it wasn't so serious... You carry on looking toward Rayner and Reeves and Lammy for your inspiration, but here's a heads up for you.... its all lies.

All Labours policies were costed weren't the and now they have no money so they increase taxes they said they wouldn't do, increase energy prices even though we are paying some of the highest charges on the planet and load us wiyh even more energy costs to trundle in a stupid, ineffective net zero policy..... You really can not make this shit up. Do I want more of these lies and false promises. The answer is NO.... but let another shit party have a go because they couldn't possibly fuck it up any more than the Tories and Labour have done.

so you can't then - just what abouterey - sums up their support

 

[BigJoe#1]

so you can't then - just what abouterey - sums up their support

Don't need to to know what a shitshow effort Labour are making of the job.

Labour definitely aren't whataboutery... they are a total fucked up car crash in slow motion. It would be difficult to do a worse job than them.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I get your reasoning it’s a protest vote (though no one believes that) but what actual radical changes do you believe Reform will make ? To make them so different to Labour/Conservative.

Pretty harmless question, genuinely curious what positive changes you envision they would make.

I think it's more about giving the current cosy mediocracy of the two party system a bloody nose. I'm not sure anyone who looks into it even thinks reform could form a coherent government, but all labour and the Tories seem to be able to do is increase wealth inequality and taxes. Both unable to find money for public services, but there seems to be plenty for overseas wars.
If you think a pissed off electorate who feel they are not lIstened too won't vote in an irrational way just to stick two fingers up and make their voices heard then you need to consider, the last 2 GEs as well as Brexit. They were all electoral 'shocks' based on voters being fed up with what they were getting.

 

[BlueHammer85]

What do you mean no one believes it (mine is a protest vote)?

It is a protest vote if no one believes it.... what does it matter? It's a protest vote.

Your problem is you're worried that there are many millions of people who feel that way and that is a threat to the status quo and in particular to the Labour government after such a short time in office. I understand you're worried, scared even but I am afraid this country needs a good kick up the arse.

The biggest problem is that notionally we've all walked into a restaurant looked at the menu and there is absolutely nothing there that is worth buying, nothing appetising and appealing, but we do have to choose something.

If you're really keen to know a radical thing Reform might do it is deal with the immigrants that are crossing the channel quicker and better.... after all Tories and Labour have both tried and failed miserably at great cost, but TBH I am not too optimistic.

Reform will be different, for better for worse I don't know but they will be different on account of the fact that Labour and Tories between them have both failed miserably and got us into the state we are in and we need change. We cannot go on as we are IMO.

Lets just wait and see what the electorate think in the up and coming elections shall we?

Pure waffle.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Pure waffle.

Typical..... you have nowt useful to say... but you just have to say something.

Just let it go.

 

[BigJoe#1]

I think it's more about giving the current cosy mediocracy of the two party system a bloody nose. I'm not sure anyone who looks into it even thinks reform could form a coherent government, but all labour and the Tories seem to be able to do is increase wealth inequality and taxes. Both unable to find money for public services, but there seems to be plenty for overseas wars.
If you think a pissed off electorate who feel they are not lIstened too won't vote in an irrational way just to stick two fingers up and make their voices heard then you need to consider, the last 2 GEs as well as Brexit. They were all electoral 'shocks' based on voters being fed up with what they were getting.

Spot on.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Spot on.

Maybe you should just let Mazz answer for you in future.
Will also add nothing about Reform winning the election would be a ‘shock’, as I already mentioned enough gullible idiots voted Brexit.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Maybe you should just let Mazz answer for you in future.
Will also add nothing about Reform winning the election would be a ‘shock’, as I already mentioned enough gullible idiots voted Brexit.

More utter meaningless garbled tripe.... keep it up

 

[BlueHammer85]

More utter meaningless garbled tripe.... keep it up

What exactly is the garbled tripe there ? All I mention is that Reform winning wouldn’t come as a shock for me.

Your previous when I asked specifically what positive changes would Reform make (aside voting out of protest) you had nothing, just some basic word salad and a brief mention of tougher on migrants, zero substance at all.

 

[inbetween]

It never was. It is the people that are the most persuaded by simplistic solutions as the system isn’t working well for them.

I get that, but instigating change that is going to cause irreparable damage seems a touch silly to me.

Their reasoning is that the well off will be most affected by the change, when in fact it will be all the JAMs that go bankrupt.

What other choice do these people have? It has to be recognised what led to Reform leading the polls, it was 15 years of Tory failure on issues that Reform voters today clearly care about. The one saving grace for them was Brexit and certainly Boris Johnson recognised that which is why he won the 2019 election very comfortably.

I know a ton of blokes at my work who are very open Tory/Brexit voters and the final straw for them was the axing of Boris. They maybe could of lived with Truss but her axing and the installment of Sunak unopposed was too much. Last years election was the price of that, I know all of them voted Reform.

The real problem for Reform voters is the simple fact that they're nailing their flag to Farage and Farage won't be there in 3-4 years time. He is a political campaigner but making money is more important to him than winning. He'll be long gone before Reform need to seriously think about whether their policies are feasible.

 

[BlueHammer85]

The real problem for Reform voters is the simple fact that they're nailing their flag to Farage and Farage won't be there in 3-4 years time. He is a political campaigner but making money is more important to him than winning. He'll be long gone before Reform need to seriously think about whether their policies are feasible.

Won’t ol Steven Yaxley be out of Prison by then ? Perfect fit.

 

[hampshireblue]

Like the costed policies in the last Labour manifesto.... you're avin' a laff. That would be proper funny if it wasn't so serious... You carry on looking toward Rayner and Reeves and Lammy for your inspiration, but here's a heads up for you.... its all lies.

All Labours policies were costed weren't the and now they have no money so they increase taxes they said they wouldn't do, increase energy prices even though we are paying some of the highest charges on the planet and load us wiyh even more energy costs to trundle in a stupid, ineffective net zero policy..... You really can not make this shit up. Do I want more of these lies and false promises. The answer is NO.... but let another shit party have a go because they couldn't possibly fuck it up any more than the Tories and Labour have done.

It feels a bit like your smoke alarm has gone off becaase your tea towel is on fire and now chucking petrol on it to address the situation. You still haven't told us what exactly Labour in Wales has done or not.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

What exactly is the garbled tripe there ? All I mention is that Reform winning wouldn’t come as a shock for me.

Your previous when I asked specifically what positive changes would Reform make (aside voting out of protest) you had nothing, just some basic word salad and a brief mention of tougher on migrants, zero substance at all.

They wouldn’t be tougher on migrants either. All parties say they’ll be tougher to appease the people that think the 40k a year coming over are what is stopping the country being great again.

They then can’t do anything as all they could do is make a deal with France or rejoin the EU, but the electorate aren’t ready to make that choice, for whatever reason.

 

[BigJoe#1]

It feels a bit like your smoke alarm has gone off becaase your tea towel is on fire and now chucking petrol on it to address the situation. You still haven't told us what exactly Labour in Wales has done or not.

Labour in Wales.....

Apart from the corruption of the first minister, taking backhanders for his leadership campaign (which eventually led to his resignation...) where a 200k payment was made by a company that was bidding for and awarded a massive Welsh government contract - the same company that was prosecuted for pollution issues

the terrible performing NHS (worst in the UK)

and ambulance service

Welsh Ambulance Service declares critical incident

More than 340 calls were waiting to be answered when the critical incident was declared.

www.bbc.co.uk

and the education levels being at an all time low....

Pisa: Wales slumps to worst school test results

Wales' scores are the UK's lowest, and the results gap has widened in reading, maths and science.

www.bbc.co.uk

Add to that the stupid policy of introducing a blanket 20 mph speed limit across the country which literally no one complies with and a huge majority of the country wanted rescinded but they refused to listen....

and the fact they, even though they are broke, are going to INCREASE the Welsh parliament by around 50% at the next election

and the amount of money they have spent on looking into an M4 relief road over £100m spent only for it to be axed.... and it is very much needed.

M4 relief road: Proposals cost £114m before scheme was axed

Plaid Cymru said the spending was "obscene" but a minister said the money was not wasted.

www.bbc.co.uk

There are countless other ventures that have been started, millions paid to contractors only for them to stop suddenly... note the date 2022.... and it has been being promised for decades and here 3 years later, nothing has happened..

The Welsh village that will soon see a £250m adventure resort built next door

The proposed £250m Wildfox adventure resort has just been approved by Neath Port Talbot Council

www.walesonline.co.uk

Sitting on their hands when British Steel needed intervention to save jobs....

Apart from the above which barely represents all their complete failures.

In order to avoid being accused of being biased i can give you one positive.... and that is free NHS prescriptions..

All the above and a whole lot more after 25 continuous years of a Welsh Labour Government

 

[west didsblue]

I agree but, If I have left leaning views who, if there is no chance of me voting Labour should I vote for.

The only chance of de throning Labour in Wales is Reform. I know Reform are far away as possible from my ideals but Labour have been in for 25 years and absolutely devastated Wales. They have to be rid of.

The majority of the Welsh electorate apparently don’t share your views. You might be better off moving somewhere where you’ll have something in common with the people around you. Maybe Clacton or Skegness or somewhere like that.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

The majority of the Welsh electorate apparently don’t share your views. You might be better off moving somewhere where you’ll have something in common with the people around you. Maybe Clacton or Skegness or somewhere like that.

Like all other areas of the UK, Wales went through massive cuts and were left in the same boat as the rest. Some will blame their personal situation on the current government and fail to see, if they looked around, that the previous governments cuts affected so many others as well.

Interesting that these views comes out now, from a Welsh perspective, noting that they’ve received a huge increase in budget from the current government.

 

[BigJoe#1]

The majority of the Welsh electorate apparently don’t share your views. You might be better off moving somewhere where you’ll have something in common with the people around you. Maybe Clacton or Skegness or somewhere like that.

This is ignorance of the highest order.

Where do source your data that informs your comment?

 

[west didsblue]

This is ignorance of the highest order.

Where do source your data that informs your comment?

The source of my data that informs my comment that the majority of the Welsh electorate don’t share your views is the election result. Didn’t take a genius to work that out.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Like all other areas of the UK, Wales went through massive cuts and were left in the same boat as the rest. Some will blame their personal situation on the current government and fail to see, if they looked around, that the previous governments cuts affected so many others as well.

Interesting that these views comes out now, from a Welsh perspective, noting that they’ve received a huge increase in budget from the current government.

These views have been held for years and regularly posted on Bluemoon.

And have been getting worse as time moves on... 25 years of consistent Labour control.