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Brewster's millions said:
I do think that the momentum and tone of the anti-immigration campaigns has seen a definite shift of late, and clearly not in a good way.

But I still maintain that it’s wishful thinking, and simply not true, to suggest that it’s only Reform and the Conservatives that have been tapping into this and changing their language in response.

It’s stretching credulity to believe that Labour didn’t know what they were doing with the Enoch Powell speech, or that they weren’t aware of the connotations of that particular phrase. Starmer can express as much regret as he likes, but he still chose to use the term and he knew what was doing.

It’s also a fact that this government has deliberately mis-represented and distorted elements of the migration data in order to claim that they have deported thousands of foreigners over the past year. Why would they do this, if not to appear tougher on immigration than the last government, or indeed to counter and mimic Reform’s rhetoric on the issue?

The pledge to end the use of migrant hotels is just another populist gimmick, but an example nonetheless of how Labour have moved in response to Reform.
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I don't disagree about Labour's rhetoric.

But, that's not really the point I'm making. Im suggesting some on tne right have seen immigration become a mainstream debate, and decided to keep pushing.

Most people, including Farage, really don't want to be considered racists, but if he continues to fan the flames, it'll be very difficult to avoid that perception. Similarly Jenrick has been making outright racist statements, and been reckless enough to attend events with actual nazis. I'd say that he's gone far beyond what most Tories would have considered acceptable during the last few decades.

It won't come as a surprise that I want Reform to fail. I suspect they’re pushing things too far, and, instead of achieving the 'respectability' they had been aiming for, I hope they start losing their more mainstream support.
 
Things she should consider

You can’t be MP if you’ve been to prison for a year+
You can’t sue police/cps/judge if you pleaded guilty and lost your subsequent appeal
You can be denied bail in middle of riot you admit inciting
You can be recalled to prison if you breach the conditions of release
 
BlueHammer85 said:
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Do these stupid cunts ever stop to think about their own hypocrisy? In 2016 we narrowly voted to leave the EU in an advisory poll that these twats have insisted is sacrosanct for ever. Now, a year after a Labour government was elected in a binding election for a 5 year term the fucking idiots want to bring the government down by crowdfunding a convicted racist criminal to take the government to court for “making” her plead guilty. Are they too stupid to realise it’s a grift?
 
Reform want us to leave the European Court of Human Rights, and remove us from the UN treaty preventing torture.

Just two of the bullet points in their press release.

Am I wrong in thinking those are worrying statements?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
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She pleaded guilty, to reduce her sentence and prevent a trail by jury, and after she was sentenced, agreed with the judge she understood the nature of the charges.

At a time of heightened emotions, she urged people to commit murder.

She got what she deserved, and is no more a political prisoner than a common thief locked up and sharing her cell.
 
There seems to be a shift in attitude on some social media pages in how people are responding to deformer.
Instead of calling the "thick stupid racist" etc, people are asking them why they support policies like removing worker's rights, allowing no fault evictions if the landlord can charge higher rent from someone else, removing the obligation to ensure a house is fit for human habitation etc.
It might not change some of those supporting Farage PLC but could change enough over time to swing elections.
 
west didsblue said:
Do these stupid cunts ever stop to think about their own hypocrisy? In 2016 we narrowly voted to leave the EU in an advisory poll that these twats have insisted is sacrosanct for ever. Now, a year after a Labour government was elected in a binding election for a 5 year term the fucking idiots want to bring the government down by crowdfunding a convicted racist criminal to take the government to court for “making” her plead guilty. Are they too stupid to realise it’s a grift?
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This is rhetoric of course? Just in case; yes they are.
 
NPBlue said:
Reform want us to leave the European Court of Human Rights, and remove us from the UN treaty preventing torture.

Just two of the bullet points in their press release.

Am I wrong in thinking those are worrying statements?
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no you are not wrong to be worried. Leaving the ECHR strips YOU of all your rights - we have no written constitution guaranteeing you anything the ECHR is therefore the final back up for your rights to things like work, freedom of speech and expression, join a Trades Union and so on. The argument is that the rights will be simply rolled into a British Bill of Rights but of course the things that are rolled over will depend on the flavour of Govt doing the rolling over and we know that Farage hates Unions so you can see where thats headed.
 
bluethrunthru said:
no you are not wrong to be worried. Leaving the ECHR strips YOU of all your rights - we have no written constitution guaranteeing you anything the ECHR is therefore the final back up for your rights to things like work, freedom of speech and expression, join a Trades Union and so on. The argument is that the rights will be simply rolled into a British Bill of Rights but of course the things that are rolled over will depend on the flavour of Govt doing the rolling over and we know that Farage hates Unions so you can see where thats headed.
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Ffs
Leaving the ECHR strips YOU of all your rights -
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What utter nonsense.
We got by perfectly well for centuries without it did we not ?
 
Hertzblue said:
Ffs

What utter nonsense.
We got by perfectly well for centuries without it did we not ?
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Are you looking forward to "fire at will" in employment?
Maybe you want to reinstate no fault evictions so you can increase the rent on your property portfolio?
Or you have a lot of shares in a "health insurance" company?
Or are you a millionaire who wants a tax cut?
 
Hertzblue said:
Ffs

What utter nonsense.
We got by perfectly well for centuries without it did we not ?
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It's potentially a lot to give up. We also went centuries without a holocaust. Only Russia and Belarus not members across Europe. I don't fancy joining that club right now thanks.


What is it?
    • A Treaty:
      The full name is the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, but it's commonly known as the ECHR.
    • A Cornerstone:
      It is the foundational document for all activities within the Council of Europe, which includes the UK.
    • Protecting Rights:
      The ECHR guarantees fundamental human rights and makes them legally binding for individuals within the 46 member states of the Council of Europe.
How it Works
    • Enforcement:
      The European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) in Strasbourg ensures the Convention's rights are upheld.
    • Domestic Application:
      Countries that sign the ECHR are required to incorporate its rights into their domestic law. In the UK, this happened through the Human Rights Act 1998.
    • Last Resort:
      Individuals can only bring a case to the ECtHR after they have exhausted all available legal avenues in their own country.
Why it Matters
    • Historical Context:
      It was created to safeguard people from state power and prevent the repetition of atrocities seen during the Holocaust and Second World War.
    • Legal Protections:
      It provides robust legal protections against things like torture, slavery, and ensures the enjoyment of freedoms such as speech, assembly, religion, and privacy.
    • Influence:
      Judgments from the ECtHR have led to significant changes in national legislation and practices, improving the lives of millions.
 
BossHog said:
What about another broken promise of not raising council tax.
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That was dropped by Labour long before the GE last year. Whereas Reform councils are already backtracking on that as people wouldn't like the cuts in services (and the councils that did freeze council taxes are often the ones that are in trouble now because previous freezes have left them with permanent shortfalls).
 
law74 said:
Are you looking forward to "fire at will" in employment?
Maybe you want to reinstate no fault evictions so you can increase the rent on your property portfolio?
Or you have a lot of shares in a "health insurance" company?
Or are you a millionaire who wants a tax cut?
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How does the ECHR help you with any of those things ?
 
hampshireblue said:
It's potentially a lot to give up. We also went centuries without a holocaust. Only Russia and Belarus not members across Europe. I don't fancy joining that club right now thanks.


What is it?
    • A Treaty:
      The full name is the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, but it's commonly known as the ECHR.
    • A Cornerstone:
      It is the foundational document for all activities within the Council of Europe, which includes the UK.
    • Protecting Rights:
      The ECHR guarantees fundamental human rights and makes them legally binding for individuals within the 46 member states of the Council of Europe.
How it Works
    • Enforcement:
      The European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) in Strasbourg ensures the Convention's rights are upheld.
    • Domestic Application:
      Countries that sign the ECHR are required to incorporate its rights into their domestic law. In the UK, this happened through the Human Rights Act 1998.
    • Last Resort:
      Individuals can only bring a case to the ECtHR after they have exhausted all available legal avenues in their own country.
Why it Matters
    • Historical Context:
      It was created to safeguard people from state power and prevent the repetition of atrocities seen during the Holocaust and Second World War.
    • Legal Protections:
      It provides robust legal protections against things like torture, slavery, and ensures the enjoyment of freedoms such as speech, assembly, religion, and privacy.
    • Influence:
      Judgments from the ECtHR have led to significant changes in national legislation and practices, improving the lives of millions.
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How about going another club of countries whose citizens manage perfectly well without the ECHR, Australia , New Zealand, Canada, US, Japan etc etc etc
 
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