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law74 said:
Article 4, Article 8 and Article 11 for worker's rights.
Article 1 of Protocol 1 and Article 8 provide Renter's rights.
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I think you are missing my point , why do you need the ECHR , our own law covers these things.
 
west didsblue said:
Why would those countries be in the ECHR when E stands for European?

The US and Canada are members of the IACHR because they’re in America.
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Top marks for Geography but what about Australia , Japan etc, E standing for European who knew?
Seriously though,I am not sure why you make this point when the comparison I am obviously making it that is perfectly possible to administer a civilised society with recourse to a supranational legal framework and court.
There is no equivalence in our position with the ECHR and the US and Canada with the IAHCR, the rulings of the IAHCR are not legally binding on either country as neither have chosen to ratify the American convention on Human Rights and who can blame them.

In any event I expect the Tories will join Reform in committing to withdraw from the ECHR , that being the case from my point of view we should only have four more years to endure with it. You will soon need to have to worry about returning to serfdom, being enslaved and / or tortured and whatever else you believe it protects you from.
 
Hertzblue said:
Top marks for Geography but what about Australia , Japan etc, E standing for European who knew?
Seriously though,I am not sure why you make this point when the comparison I am obviously making it that is perfectly possible to administer a civilised society with recourse to a supranational legal framework and court.
There is no equivalence in our position with the ECHR and the US and Canada with the IAHCR, the rulings of the IAHCR are not legally binding on either country as neither have chosen to ratify the American convention on Human Rights and who can blame them.

In any event I expect the Tories will join Reform in committing to withdraw from the ECHR , that being the case from my point of view we should only have four more years to endure with it. You will soon need to have to worry about returning to serfdom, being enslaved and / or tortured and whatever else you believe it protects you from.
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Have you ever thought that the right wing want to withdraw not just from the ECHR, but from upholding human rights?
 
Hertzblue said:
Top marks for Geography but what about Australia , Japan etc, E standing for European who knew?
Seriously though,I am not sure why you make this point when the comparison I am obviously making it that is perfectly possible to administer a civilised society with recourse to a supranational legal framework and court.
There is no equivalence in our position with the ECHR and the US and Canada with the IAHCR, the rulings of the IAHCR are not legally binding on either country as neither have chosen to ratify the American convention on Human Rights and who can blame them.

In any event I expect the Tories will join Reform in committing to withdraw from the ECHR , that being the case from my point of view we should only have four more years to endure with it. You will soon need to have to worry about returning to serfdom, being enslaved and / or tortured and whatever else you believe it protects you from.
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If you were really honest you would admit you want out of the ECHR just because it associates us with Europe and the 45 other countries that are members. The fact you want to be like Russia and Belarus is a bit weird tbh. What’s next on your list? UEFA or Eurovision?
 
west didsblue said:
If you were really honest you would admit you want out of the ECHR just because it associates us with Europe and the 45 other countries that are members. The fact you want to be like Russia and Belarus is a bit weird tbh. What’s next on your list? UEFA or Eurovision?
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I wouldn't trivialise his opposition to human rights. Maybe he approves of torture and genocide.

"The development of human rights is founded in the Jewish experience of an appalling breach of human rights."

The European Convention on Human Rights - The Jewish case for staying signed in - René Cassin

The European Convention on Human Rights The Jewish case for staying signed in - A Parliamentary Briefing – November 2023
renecassin.org renecassin.org
 
Hertzblue said:
Top marks for Geography but what about Australia , Japan etc, E standing for European who knew?
Seriously though,I am not sure why you make this point when the comparison I am obviously making it that is perfectly possible to administer a civilised society with recourse to a supranational legal framework and court.
There is no equivalence in our position with the ECHR and the US and Canada with the IAHCR, the rulings of the IAHCR are not legally binding on either country as neither have chosen to ratify the American convention on Human Rights and who can blame them.

In any event I expect the Tories will join Reform in committing to withdraw from the ECHR , that being the case from my point of view we should only have four more years to endure with it. You will soon need to have to worry about returning to serfdom, being enslaved and / or tortured and whatever else you believe it protects you from.
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Endure.
FFS!
 
Hertzblue said:
Top marks for Geography but what about Australia , Japan etc, E standing for European who knew?
Seriously though,I am not sure why you make this point when the comparison I am obviously making it that is perfectly possible to administer a civilised society with recourse to a supranational legal framework and court.
There is no equivalence in our position with the ECHR and the US and Canada with the IAHCR, the rulings of the IAHCR are not legally binding on either country as neither have chosen to ratify the American convention on Human Rights and who can blame them.

In any event I expect the Tories will join Reform in committing to withdraw from the ECHR , that being the case from my point of view we should only have four more years to endure with it. You will soon need to have to worry about returning to serfdom, being enslaved and / or tortured and whatever else you believe it protects you from.
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You might like to look at the dates for the introduction of Universal Suffrage in Australia, and the United State and compare that to the UK. It rather undermines your point that are a beacon of progressive , democratic thinking . We were reluctant and slow to change and sections of our society would role back some of the gains won in labour laws if they could. Look at what is happening in the Deliveroo and Uber sectors to see what conditions employers would liike to operate under
 
Hertzblue said:
How about going another club of countries whose citizens manage perfectly well without the ECHR, Australia , New Zealand, Canada, US, Japan etc etc etc
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They have their own versions, which are prety much similar in ideals.

Austrailia and NZ have more Human rights laws then the ECHR

Japans post war constitution has universal humam rights as a national covernant.

You clearly know littlte about other countries human rights laws and just randomly picked out places you thought people here would also know nowt about
 
Vic said:
Have you ever thought that the right wing want to withdraw not just from the ECHR, but from upholding human rights?
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Wow,
I think history demonstrates that left wing regimes have the edge when it comes to oppression and violation of human rights. The right by definition is libertarian, the left by nature is authoritarian.
 
Earlyriser said:
You might like to look at the dates for the introduction of Universal Suffrage in Australia, and the United State and compare that to the UK. It rather undermines your point that are a beacon of progressive , democratic thinking . We were reluctant and slow to change and sections of our society would role back some of the gains won in labour laws if they could. Look at what is happening in the Deliveroo and Uber sectors to see what conditions employers would liike to operate under
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And the ECHR ?
 
urban genie said:
They have their own versions, which are prety much similar in ideals.

Austrailia and NZ have more Human rights laws then the ECHR

Japans post war constitution has universal humam rights as a national covernant.

You clearly know littlte about other countries human rights laws and just randomly picked out places you thought people here would also know nowt about
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No , I spend fucking hours reading up on obscure Human rights laws of individual countries, I am sure you do to
That said..
You make my point for me , thank you very much - they have their own versions and so should we. As a sovereign nation, we should make our own laws and be able to amend them as we see fit by our own democratically elected Parliament as they do.
 
Hertzblue said:
No , I spend fucking hours reading up on obscure Human rights laws of individual countries, I am sure you do to
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You make my point for me , thank you very much - they have their own versions and so should we. As a sovereign nation, we should make our own laws and be able to amend them as we see fit by our own democratically elected Parliament as they do.
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So long as it’s the right government in charge though…? ;)

There’s a reason international agreements were signed up to in the first place, ourselves being the main proponents of it (before we got so partisan and isolationist).
 
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