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BrianW said:
  • It amazes me. On the one hand, people say they don't trust governments or politicians. OK?

But the very same people want to remove what little legal protection we have from the abuse of government power.

On what planet does that make even a small amount of sense?
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One where a very skillfill con man can shout kekywords that trigger fear without any truth to them.

15 years of shouting immingration and deport like a malfunctioning dalek without ever once saying anythingn else.

If this clown becomes PM, we can look forward to:
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  • no more free healthcare,
  • a relaxation of workers rights, sick pay, holiday pay, more likely minimum wage scrapped and unfair dismissal protections
  • A passport worth fuck all where more nations will require us to use visa entry than 30-90 day non requirement.
  • A high probability of mainland terrorism the returm of the NI troubles
  • Food shortages and less control on food safety
  • Higher bills
  • Even less right to protest than this governments clamp down
  • Isolationism, leading to less international co-operation or stuff like refugees and illegal immigration which will lead to and increase in the numbers are no exteria controls are supping us.
  • No pension rights
But hey ho at lelast Farage, rice and theor babckers will have made millions out of it and can retire in style (far away from the peasants)
 
Farage shouldn’t have a political career due to the untold damage brexit has caused this country. His one policy crusade is all he has, trouble is he’s got simpletons to listen to him in 2016 and he’s doing it again now shouting loudest but with no clear plan how to do it.

He should be getting hammered for what happened with brexit, and hoodwinking illegal immigration as some national crisis compared to what has been thrusted on us with brexit. Illegal immigration costs the country £10-15 billion a year compared to brexit which is up past a £100 billion.

Trouble is we now have two major parties clambering all over immigration because Reform has the ear of the numpties who voted for brexit being suckered into another snake oil selling project.

The country is fucked with stagflation and zero output in the economy and we have considerably higher inflation than the EU. All this was done by our own stupidity, unfortunately the current government has choked off any growth by spooking businesses with national insurance rises to try and cover the black hole in the country’s finances covered up by the previous one.

We could solve this by at least being in the single market, instead of fixing the economy the political spotlight is on how much money Farage would pay the Taliban to take back Afghans into their country.
 
BrianW said:
It amazes me. On the one hand, people say they don't trust governments or politicians. OK?

But the very same people want to remove what little legal protection we have from the abuse of government power.

On what planet does that make even a small amount of sense?
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It doesn't make any sense, but only the brain-dead would vote for these charlatans. The correlation is there.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
Farage shouldn’t have a political career due to the untold damage brexit has caused this country. His one policy crusade is all he has, trouble is he’s got simpletons to listen to him in 2016 and he’s doing it again now shouting loudest but with no clear plan how to do it.

He should be getting hammered for what happened with brexit, and hoodwinking illegal immigration as some national crisis compared to what has been thrusted on us with brexit. Illegal immigration costs the country £10-15 billion a year compared to brexit which is up past a £100 billion.

Trouble is we now have two major parties clambering all over immigration because Reform has the ear of the numpties who voted for brexit being suckered into another snake oil selling project.

The country is fucked with stagflation and zero output in the economy and we have considerably higher inflation than the EU. All this was done by our own stupidity, unfortunately the current government has choked off any growth by spooking businesses with national insurance rises to try and cover the black hole in the country’s finances covered up by the previous one.

We could solve this by at least being in the single market, instead of fixing the economy the political spotlight is on how much money Farage would pay the Taliban to take back Afghans into their country.
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Exactly. Outstanding post
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Is that referring to his ‘Women and children are not exempt, but they wouldn’t automatically be sent back’?
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Amongst other stuff, yes.

Its his go-to tactic. Maybe his only tactic. He's employed it a few times anyway. Off the top of my head...
Breaking Point Poster (2016 EU Referendum) - the line of Syrian refugees.
Southport. Implied authorities were hiding the attacker’s identity and suggested they were a foreign-born Muslim.
Small Boats “Invasion” Rhetoric - always incites the 'patriots' but then hangs them out to dry and says 'only meant it figuratively'.
Brexit and No-Deal - He said no deal would be easy - folk still believe that too
Covid & lockdowns - people still cite the guy as a 'truth teller' even though he later went on record as 'only asking questions'

He's not the solution, he's part of the problem. And he has no solutions - just emotionally charged narratives. I hope people see through it all soon. He's using normal folk as his pawns. He'd let them rot, just like his mate Trump.
 
Don't underestimate social media impact, called in on someone this morning while on my walk and over a cuppa reform was mentioned by him, fuck me I should have kept walking.
It's all about immigrants and only reform can sort it out - nothing else mattered to him. He also thinks Trump has sorted America out in just 8 months and Ukraine should give Russia the land they require to have peace.
Asked for evidence or reasoning and all he said was that I should watch somebody's videos online (sorry I missed who he said) and he said I was not looking at the evidence.
I thought at first he was just trying to get a rise out of me but he was deadly serious
I don't do social media but it shocked me how a decent bloke could end up a Farage, Trump and Putin disciple.
We laughed at America but it is coming here if we don't start doing something about it.
 
69FACUPfinal said:
The msm imo were far from sycophantic when I listened to the questions following the announcements.

Infact I also think the BBC commentator back in the studio had been on a different planet than me when Mr Farage was talking.

I actually thought the media were quite dismissive and obsessed with questions about people being tortured should they be deported back to their country of origin.
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The fuckwits will only listen to the headline and will ignore the content

The headline being "Farage will send all the ##### back where they belong"
The content of "What if there's the prospect of them being executed when they get there, even if they are children?" will be ignored
 
Odd socks said:
Don't underestimate social media impact, called in on someone this morning while on my walk and over a cuppa reform was mentioned by him, fuck me I should have kept walking.
It's all about immigrants and only reform can sort it out - nothing else mattered to him. He also thinks Trump has sorted America out in just 8 months and Ukraine should give Russia the land they require to have peace.
Asked for evidence or reasoning and all he said was that I should watch somebody's videos online (sorry I missed who he said) and he said I was not looking at the evidence.
I thought at first he was just trying to get a rise out of me but he was deadly serious
I don't do social media but it shocked me how a decent bloke could end up a Farage, Trump and Putin disciple.
We laughed at America but it is coming here if we don't start doing something about it.
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There's whole swathes of people on social media that genuinely believe (or willfully delude themselves) that the government is bringing in asylum seekers to create an army for a civil war.

One thing I have noticed with social media, is that they live in these echo chambers and have done now for 10-15 years to the point where they're just openly racist and hateful in real life. It used to be that you'd say, people wouldn't say the stuff they say online in real life, but nowadays they absolutely do. It's seeping through.

My argument for people who fall for the propaganda around immigration has always been that their lives are shit and it's human nature to look for an excuse, and when one is handed to them they'll take it. I've never liked the people who are smarmy in response and look down on these people without trying to understand why they're so fed up.

But it's going too far now, genuinely don't know where we go from here, Reform will definitely get in power and we'll be left to deal with the consequences.
 
bluethrunthru said:
methinks Tice hires lawyers who for a grand an hour will tell him the moon is made of cheese if thats the answer he wants

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Simple Tice-Farage approach will be to abandon NI to a unification referendum and not give a shit at any resumption of The Troubles.
Of course they wouldn't expressly make that a policy, probably bury it in a briefing note for an election candidate speech and claim that as a mandate. (Trump playbook tactic)
 
urban genie said:
This whole clip sums up farage for the last 12 years.


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True enough. Although I was surprised Farage started giving details on his mass deportation plan and was then forced to start ‘clarifying’, or went large on fracking this far out from the next election. No sense in peaking early.

Perhaps he has been huffing his own supply and getting over excited.
 
Obviously lecturing people and insulting them is the correct policy. Just lecture and insult them harder, that's the answer. Under no circumstances actually address their concerns. Oh, and whinge incessantly if they vote in a way you don't approve of.
 
Hgblue2 said:
Obviously lecturing people and insulting them is the correct policy. Just lecture and insult them harder, that's the answer. Under no circumstances actually address their concerns. Oh, and whinge incessantly if they vote in a way you don't approve of.
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How is saying immigration over and over addressing and solving peoples everyday problems?


And ideas he has muted like dumbing down food safety laws, loosening employmemt law and selling off the NHS and changing to the US model is far from. addressing what is wrong with this country
 
Hgblue2 said:
Obviously lecturing people and insulting them is the correct policy. Just lecture and insult them harder, that's the answer. Under no circumstances actually address their concerns. Oh, and whinge incessantly if they vote in a way you don't approve of.
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What if I enjoy insulting them? If I despise someone for their stupidity and bigotry I like to think it’s my inalienable right to deride them. Never understood this idea I should compromise my beliefs or try and ‘understand their concerns’.

I don’t understand racist, bigots and morons. I don’t like them either. Fuck their concerns.

Hopefully that’s clarified my thoughts on this matter.
 
ballbag said:
Amongst other stuff, yes.

Its his go-to tactic. Maybe his only tactic. He's employed it a few times anyway. Off the top of my head...
Breaking Point Poster (2016 EU Referendum) - the line of Syrian refugees.
Southport. Implied authorities were hiding the attacker’s identity and suggested they were a foreign-born Muslim.
Small Boats “Invasion” Rhetoric - always incites the 'patriots' but then hangs them out to dry and says 'only meant it figuratively'.
Brexit and No-Deal - He said no deal would be easy - folk still believe that too
Covid & lockdowns - people still cite the guy as a 'truth teller' even though he later went on record as 'only asking questions'

He's not the solution, he's part of the problem. And he has no solutions - just emotionally charged narratives. I hope people see through it all soon. He's using normal folk as his pawns. He'd let them rot, just like his mate Trump.
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Last para sums it up perfectly. Well said
 
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