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meltonblue said:
I’m not so sure about that. Wouldn’t be surprised if by the time we get to the next election, it needs a coalition from others to keep him out.

That does depend on whether people start to care again about anything else but immigration though, they have gone very early in the election cycle, which they have to as they’re replicating America so much. A lot can happen there and here in the next few years.
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The bookies have a minority government as favourite for the general election so presumably that means labour/lib dems or reform/conservatives coalition.

Not sure if the tories would be up for being in a coalition where they weren't the majority leader and had to be reforms pitch. I imagine that would damage their chance if winning the GE after that.
 
meltonblue said:
I’m not so sure about that. Wouldn’t be surprised if by the time we get to the next election, it needs a coalition from others to keep him out.

That does depend on whether people start to care again about anything else but immigration though, they have gone very early in the election cycle, which they have to as they’re replicating America so much. A lot can happen there and here in the next few years.
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As I posted the other day, other than immigration reform are struggling with understanding the nations woes.

They talk the talk saying they will raise basic level of income tax threshold to £20k (sounds great doesn’t it) with nothing to add on how that will be funded.

It is well known also that Farage wants to change the funding model for the NHS for better patient outcomes, citing the French model as being exemplary. When people realise what this means on an individual basis, I think he will have to rethink that position.

He recently openly admitted, he has no idea to run a government and is delighted in seeing a few ex Tory mps come onboard. He is too full of himself to see that those he is recruiting to bolster his experience, were those that ruined the country, or too stupid to know.

Their recent detail on attacking right to remain has done them no favours.

As time rolls on, Reform are going to have to put out more than soundbites to attract attention. It is at that point we will see how unfit they are to form a government.
 
moggymoz said:
If most people recognise Farage and Co are a serious threat, how come Reform will win by a Landslide?
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They won't.
They MIGHT get enough MP's to be the official party of opposition, but not a cat in hells chance of them forming the next government, and certainly not a landslide.
Indeed, as we start moving towards the next GE expect farage to melt under the scrutiny and sell off his shareholding in Reform PLC and Tice or 30p Lee to assault a journalist.
Just look how "well" they are doing at ruining local councils
 
mosssideblue said:
As I posted the other day, other than immigration reform are struggling with understanding the nations woes.

They talk the talk saying they will raise basic level of income tax threshold to £20k (sounds great doesn’t it) with nothing to add on how that will be funded.

It is well known also that Farage wants to change the funding model for the NHS for better patient outcomes, citing the French model as being exemplary. When people realise what this means on an individual basis, I think he will have to rethink that position.

He recently openly admitted, he has no idea to run a government and is delighted in seeing a few ex Tory mps come onboard. He is too full of himself to see that those he is recruiting to bolster his experience, were those that ruined the country, or too stupid to know.

Their recent detail on attacking right to remain has done them no favours.

As time rolls on, Reform are going to have to put out more than soundbites to attract attention. It is at that point we will see how unfit they are to form a government.
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The funding issue is one they may get away with. They've already used two multi-billion pound figures that they say will come from deporting people, and cutting net zero.

Both have been immediately rebuffed. The net zero one they quoted was for hundreds of billions, but it included all the investment by private companies in green technology. Apart from a lot of it being positive for the economy - investments/jobs/new factories etc., rather than a "cost", it's also not Government money so he has no access to it.

But like the bus millions, it doesn't matter. If the 'establishment' challenge it, then it just becomes a discussion about the "true cost" of net zero, and the majority will believe who they want.
 
Blue Smarties said:
What would they be? The tax I’ve paid over the last 12 months alone is eye watering, and I’m still forced to pay for a dentist if I want a check up as there’s no NHS taking on. Yet the work shy and those who shouldn’t be here continue to get the handouts.

The whole system needs a shake up, and it’s coming.
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You have got it so wrong.

It's not the workshy or migrants that are causing you problems finding an NHS dentist.

It's the billionaires and deca millionaires that spend fortunes every year owning and controlling the legacy media, social media, right wing political parties and the think tanks producing their psuedo economic babble that are reproduced as scientific fact in the papers and other media they own that is the problem.

I get your frustration, but you are being bombarded every day by media owned by wealthy individuals that detest paying tax, and in many ways control what people think.

There are stupendous amounts of absolute rubbish purporting to be facts in the media at the moment. A few months ago there were articles in the likes of the Daily Mail and the Telegraph stating that thousands of millionaires had left the country since Labour came to power.

It's not true. The report those articles which were seized on with such zeal by the billionaire owned press was produced by a bloke in South Africa, who, when pressed, admitted he didn't have a clue how many millionaires had left the country, and his findings were based on a few Linkedin posts he had read. It was bullshit.

I'm no hardcore left wing tub thumper. All I am trying to do is protect what I and many others have benefitted from over the course of our lives, and I can't understand why, when it's been such a battle over the the years to gain our benefits, ordinary people are siding with those that want to remove them.

What we have isn't normal. Over the course of centuries, having nothing is, and reform want to take us back to, in their eyes, the halcyon days of poverty for the masses and untold weath for the few. I've not heard or seen anything mentioned by them about correcting the increasing wealth gap which is the real reason so many are now feeling impoverished.

LIke I said, vote for reform if you want to, but don't be under any illusion your life will improve if they get into power. They are a party formed by millionaires for the benefit of millionaires, and they really don't have your best interests at heart. People like that never have, never wiil, and I find it frustrating you can't see them for what they are.
 
for context Darren Grimes was born Darren Hutchinson - men who change their names are sinister narcissists eh?

 
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