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Vic said:
A lot of the "new" CS jobs are the ones doing stuff that we used to have done for us in Brussels.
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Yep. Interesting that loads of CS jobs were cut but none who were supporting the government of the time.

Just can’t understand how those two would be vote winners.
 
hcblue95 said:
Well I'm a bit slow then.
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We all are apparently, all he does is spout nonsense, and oddly only those supporting his odd obsession with Ethno this and that seem to get it. All on the right. He'll clutch his pearls if you're not careful, and get white knighted by the rightoids of the political forum. It's like clockwork.
 
The perfect fumble said:
This made me smile.

If you can't understand my posts, it could be that they're the ramblings of a pompous pseudo intellectual, but there is another possibility....

I'll put it simply, back in the day all that was required to be a left winger was to believe in the concept of fairness and that inequality in society was a result of the exploitation of the masses by greedy capitalists.

But now there is a list of "isms" and a moving feast of correct think that one must believe in order to be left wing.

In short, it is no longer possible to be a left winger unless you believe in multiculturalism, critical race theory, trans ideology, Palestinian genocide, DEI, intersectionality, white privilege and that the UK is and always has been a country of immigrants, the list goes on and on. And you must reject English ethnicity, the concept of the nation state, the existence of an over arching English culture, meritocracy, patriotism and women's rights.

All these "must have beliefs" and many more, have been bolted onto the left over the last twenty years or so, some of them are clearly incompatible with the core left wing principle of fairness, some of them contradict each other, some deny material reality and some come with menace, all come with a whiff of authoritarianism.

The left's greatest conceit and it's evident in here page after page, is that it believes there is a general consensus around these "must have beliefs" and if there isn't there should be, because these things are self evidently correct, they are good, empathetic, many of them have been stamped by the left as universal human rights for crying out loud!

So the greatest sin for any left leaning individual is the crime of saying "hang on a minute" to the "must haves".

As a consequence anyone who veers from the path of these "must haves" has to be labelled as either stupid, or simply a bad person with questionable motives.

I can't put it any simpler than this.
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Nah, you're defo a smug pseud.
 
Tiattos_Waterbottle said:
We all are apparently, all he does is spout nonsense, and oddly only those supporting his odd obsession with Ethno this and that seem to get it. All on the right. He'll clutch his pearls if you're not careful, and get white knighted by the rightoids of the political forum. It's like clockwork.
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I agree with most of what I see TPF post probably more than I do anyone else in this subforum. And I’m not right wing.

I used to think of myself as mostly centre left (with a few right wing views). But, while I’ve stayed exactly where I was with my political stance, I find myself disagreeing with a lot of the things those who claim to be the left these days come out with.

That’s not to say that I now agree with what the right come out with though, and I have never and will likely never vote for a right wing party, even though the new left would probably label me as right wing for daring not to join their cult like they have TPF over the years.

He’s easy to understand if you’re not entrenched in the cult of the new left… or, maybe it’s more accurate to say that he’s got the new left down to a tee so much that they don’t like it so pretend to not understand him?
 
.db. said:
I agree with most of what I see TPF post probably more than I do anyone else in this subforum. And I’m not right wing.

I used to think of myself as mostly centre left (with a few right wing views). But, while I’ve stayed exactly where I was with my political stance, I find myself disagreeing with a lot of the things those who claim to be the left these days come out with.

That’s not to say that I now agree with what the right come out with though, and I have never and will likely never vote for a right wing party, even though the new left would probably label me as right wing for daring not to join their cult like they have TPF over the years.

He’s easy to understand if you’re not entrenched in the cult of the new left… or, maybe it’s more accurate to say that he’s got the new left down to a tee so much that they don’t like it so pretend to not understand him?
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Let's just say I've never met a Reform supporter who's voting Reform because of the stuff he writes about the "new left".

The last conversation I had was with someone who thought the council didn't do enough about local flooding. I pointed to record rainfall meaning local brooks were over a metre above previous levels, and Reform were climate change deniers.
 
I see in his speech yesterday at the Digital Assets Summit(?) Nigel promised to bring cryptocurrency in from the cold. Apparently what we need is more de-regulation and another Big Bang. Well some of us remember how that ended.
In terms of moving forward he has abandoned the plans for £90 billion of tax cuts. Even they are now accepting their plans are pie in the sky. On a separate note another Reform Councillor in Kent has been suspended and Council Tax will rise.
 
Earlyriser said:
I see in his speech yesterday at the Digital Assets Summit(?) Nigel promised to bring cryptocurrency in from the cold. Apparently what we need is more de-regulation and another Big Bang. Well some of us remember how that ended.
In terms of moving forward he has abandoned the plans for £90 billion of tax cuts. Even they are now accepting their plans are pie in the sky. On a separate note another Reform Councillor in Kent has been suspended and Council Tax will rise.
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Is this the same cryptocurrency where 20 billion dollars went 'missing' the moment Mango Shitgibbon announced he might whack more tariffs on China?
 
.db. said:
I agree with most of what I see TPF post probably more than I do anyone else in this subforum. And I’m not right wing.

I used to think of myself as mostly centre left (with a few right wing views). But, while I’ve stayed exactly where I was with my political stance, I find myself disagreeing with a lot of the things those who claim to be the left these days come out with.

That’s not to say that I now agree with what the right come out with though, and I have never and will likely never vote for a right wing party, even though the new left would probably label me as right wing for daring not to join their cult like they have TPF over the years.

He’s easy to understand if you’re not entrenched in the cult of the new left… or, maybe it’s more accurate to say that he’s got the new left down to a tee so much that they don’t like it so pretend to not understand him?
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The new left being what? Not being a **** to people? That's what it usually translates as.

I think at times stuff like microaggressions are daft but a lot of 'new left' is simply trying to be progressive as a society and that some middle aged white men & women (This is me calling a spade a spade, here, do not clutch pearls if this means you) don't like change, left or right should not mean it shouldn't exist.

As I said earlier in this topic, if people do not want to be labelled a racist, don't be racist, the amount of justification of racially charged rhetoric in the politics forum and social media in general, saying we can't call them racist, and they just have real concerns is what's led us to where we are.

Just my two cents. I don't think TPF is right wing myself, or facistic, as I know he gets a bit upset if this isn't totally confirmed.
 
Tiattos_Waterbottle said:
The new left being what? Not being a **** to people?
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A lot of shit gets pulled, deliberately and with forethought, under the lie of being kind.

You are behaving under the misapprehension that all the world's sins emanate from the right, many do, but not all.

The right ignored the social sphere, there's no profit to be made, but minds are moulded in the social sphere and we live with its consequences now.

Stop thinking of the left as being the warm benign fountain of truth, for the most part it gets it right, when it doesn't it's fucking awful.
 
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The perfect fumble said:
A lot of shit gets pulled, deliberately and with forethought, under the lie of being kind.

You are behaving under the misapprehension that all the worlds sins emanate from the right, many do, but not all.

The right ignored the social sphere, there's no profit to be made, but minds are moulded in the social sphere and we live with its consequences now.
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Sorry, not being a **** for reasons such as their ethnicity or sexual/gender preference.

Everyone can be cunty, but it's the right that makes it about these things and gets upset when they're rounded on for it.
 
Last night whilst bored I trawled through our local Reform UK Facebook page. They obviously vet their followers as well as the party vets councillors. I found 2 immigrants from Africa as members. Also 1 member was previously head of a group protesting against the removal of the Pride flags from Durham county Council. And only about 60% are actually from our town.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Reform is all over the place, so now they're Christian nationalists?

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And here's his view trying to justify his move to Reform:


"Many people have demanded I call a by-election to test public support for my move. I’m afraid this isn’t going to happen. An MP is elected for a full term, and they are elected not to follow any particular party or policy programme, but to follow their own judgement about what’s best for the constituency and the country. I was elected - like every Conservative MP - under the colours of Rishi Sunak and the 2024 election manifesto. Both have now passed into history. Like every other MP elected with me, I need to do what I think is right, and then face the voters at the end of the Parliament when I will be accountable for all my decisions.

I agree that when an MP switches sides in the House of Commons - from the government to the opposition or vice-versa - there is a strong case for a by-election, as this represents a total repudiation of the promises made at the election. But for my part, I have simply moved a few seats along the opposition benches. I will continue to do exactly the same job I did when I was a Conservative MP: vote against the Labour government’s disastrous policies; speak up for conservative principles; and represent individual constituents, businesses and public services as best I can. But outside Parliament I will campaign for the Party I think is best placed to save the country."

What a twat!!
 
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