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[Alan Harper's Tash]

How many lib dems switch to Tory was the question asked, you haven't got an answer to it. This IS an echo chamber and you are just a follower of it.

You're not even a mini Che Dibley.

Tag @blueinsa if you mention him instead of waffling on about “South African” mate on here.

Add snide late editing to your cuntishness. I didn’t tag him as I didn’t think he’d need or want to respond.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

Tactical voting is different, and make sense when getting rid of tories

As for liberalism in the UK is has always been a soft/centre right ideology of non conformism and free trade with social reform that is good for buisness and the markets

Liberalism in europe has normelly been the term for such as the republican movements of france, italy and belgium

In the US liberal is used for the left and with social media now where the confusion of calling britsh left as liberal which is frankly offensive to me ;-)

While that is all true I don’t think you can then extend that to a catch-all statement like “no lefties vote Lib Dem”. I think that’s just down to firstly how you define “a leftie”, secondly how much said leftie weighs economic versus social issues, and finally what policies they are actually offering. I believe in things like the EU and the freedom of movement that confers, but that’s not necessarily compatible with a Labour government’s view. But I am also a social democrat who wants to see a strong welfare state. So who do I vote for in this situation in 2019, say? The people who promote social progressivism and freedom of the labour market? Or the people who want to implement “big government” policies? These aren’t contradictory positions and I can tell you it wasn’t an easy choice.

The manifesto and policy history of Labour and Lib Dem are not so easily disentangled and there are loads of situations where an economic leftie will prefer to vote Lib Dem because they philosophically see some policy as worth the trade off for a moderate-centrist economic party who won’t rock the boat or do too much damage to the welfare state. Not everybody is socialism or bust.

I am by pretty much any useful measure - “a leftie” (just ask @mexico1970). I weigh social progressivism and personal freedoms extremely heavily in my considerations. There have been years where my policy preference has aligned more to Labour, and some where it has aligned to Lib Dem. But it has never aligned to Conservatives because they are a socially regressive party. They had a moment where they pretended to be progressive with Cameron but it’s always countered by decreases in things like social mobility.

Voting for a party is never a perfect fit for an individual. It nearly always requires some compromise.

 

[metalblue]

Tactical voting is different, and make sense when getting rid of tories

As for liberalism in the UK is has always been a soft/centre right ideology of non conformism and free trade with social reform that is good for buisness and the markets

Liberalism in europe has normelly been the term for such as the republican movements of france, italy and belgium

In the US liberal is used for the left and with social media now where the confusion of calling britsh left as liberal which is frankly offensive to me ;-)

Lib Dem’s are centre / centre-left. By all means show me their right wing policies

 

[urban genie]

Lib Dem’s are centre / centre-left. By all means show me their right wing policies

centrists by all means but not left.

Economically their belief in the private sector aligns with right wing politics as does their free market philosophy and belief in a smaller state

socially you could say they lean more left than right

 

[urban genie]

Anyway enough of veering off onto the lib dems they must have thread of their own , let us get back onto what twats farage amd reform are

 

[west didsblue]

Anyway enough of veering off onto the lib dems they must have thread of their own , let us get back onto what twats farage amd reform are

Most of us already know.
Frog faced **** and racist bellends respectively.

 

[A57 the snake]

Meanwhile on the comment page on MuEN on line
@ASKdes types …. Forage was the best candidate out of the six !! Sums up the whole shit show of reform supporters.

 

[bluenova]

Lib Dem’s are centre / centre-left. By all means show me their right wing policies

They were quite happy to serve in the austerity coalition.

Osborne was clear that cutting the state was a political decision, with the "crowding out" philosophy, and I don't remember many complaints from the Lib Dems.

 

[BrianW]

The 'Orange Book' Liberals were pretty right on economics and would have fitted well with Thatcher. Not all Lib-Dems are like that by any means, just as most of Labour is not socialist but social democratic at best.

The Lib-Dems have consistently been big on individual freedom (including for the rights of minorities) and for Europe, including within that a strong sense of subsidiarity, as opposed to a purely unitary UK state.

I can see how at least some of them got on with Cameron's Toryism.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Seen something saying reform has got 40,000 new members and what does that mean?
All it means is, at £25 a pop, Farage has another £1M, which is really all he’s interested in…