Refugee crisis

More likely to work than say the elderly and children, I may be wrong but I've just bought some logic and applied it here.

Your logic is faulty and you know it. These people have been through a lot they more than likely are not able to work and probably can't under asylum laws for at least 12 months and even later given their circumstances. Oh and elderly males are adult males.
 
Your logic is faulty and you know it. These people have been through a lot they more than likely are not able to work and probably can't under asylum laws for at least 12 months and even later given their circumstances. Oh and elderly males are adult males.
Maybe you're right - there probably is restrictions but so what if they can't work immediately I'm sure given time and support they will. Give them whatever time and resources we have available.
 
Maybe you're right - there probably is restrictions but so what if they can't work immediately I'm sure given time and support they will. Give them whatever time and resources we have available.

I'll take it that you're no expert then so I am not guessing that you're guessing. I will wait for someone who knows what they are talking about to inform the board. No doubt Dave will formulate a plan of repatriation given the circumstances in Syria and the logistics involved.
 
Exactly people often film and video events now it's crazy quick take a picture? No how about don't take a picture and try and help! it's the world we live in now sadly. So sad for the little boy god bless him

She was a photojournalist though, so just doing her job. But what a job it is. Kevin Carter didn't kill himself for nothing, similar sort of thing. It's got to be one of the grimmest occupations going.. better have thick skin or a thick skull doing that sort of work.
 
I'll take it that you're no expert then so I am not guessing that you're guessing. I will wait for someone who knows what they are talking about to inform the board. No doubt Dave will formulate a plan of repatriation given the circumstances in Syria and the logistics involved.
It depends on the status they're given.
If they're given permission to stay with refugee, humanitarian protection status or discretionary leave to remain then they can work legally.
 
It depends on the status they're given.
If they're given permission to stay with refugee, humanitarian protection status or discretionary leave to remain then they can work legally.

A lot of ifs there as I said I will wait for clarification after it happens and more knowledgeable posters enlighten us on what the next step is. I see Austria will be closing off its borders shortly and Germany have hinted that there are only so many asylum seekers they can take.
Bring them in or treat them in camps where possible with a view to repatriation when Syria is peaceful again.
 
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A lot of ifs there as I said I will wait for clarification after it happens and more knowledgeable posters enlighten us on what the next step is. I see Austria will be closing off its borders shortly and Germany have hinted that there are only so many asylum seekers they can take.
Bring them in or treat them in camps where possible with a view to repatriation when Syria is peaceful again.
More knowledgeable posters?

Sorry I don't know the finer points of UK law regarding refugees, I'm also sorry that I'm at a loss as to what status the refugees will be given if and when they arrive here. I take it from your lack of input on this you're also in the same 'unknowledgeable' category as me?

Unless one of these 'more knowledgeable posters' work for the home office I'm not sure how anybody will know the answer. Yes they could probably Google it but since this scenario is pretty unprecedented I'm not sure how that could shed any light on the situation.

With regards to Germany, I caught the news earlier and it was reported that the German government and its people saw it as a positive for their economy. This was cited due to an ageing population and a massive skills shortage the country is currently facing. It was a marvellous sight, watching the German people in their hundreds/thousands welcoming the refugees as if they were attending a celebrity red carpet event. I'm sure there will be similar scenes here when they arrive.
 
More knowledgeable posters?

Yes more knowledgeable posters my point was clear.



With regards to Germany, I caught the news earlier and it was reported that the German government and its people saw it as a positive for their economy. This was cited due to an ageing population and a massive skills shortage the country is currently facing. It was a marvellous sight, watching the German people in their hundreds/thousands welcoming the refugees as if they were attending a celebrity red carpet event. I'm sure there will be similar scenes here when they arrive.

Are you having your own little conversation with yourself? First you admit you know little about the eligibility for asylum seekers working rights and then you go off on a tangent when I remarked on the German stance that they have a limit on who they will take, following the news that the Austrians have announced they will be slowly stepping back from relaxing border controls and re-establishing them in stages.
 
For those interested in the actual international rules:
http://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10.html
Thanks for posting this.

I'm not sure if you've read it all or not but is there/has there ever been a precedent for this sort of scenario, which would give us some sort of idea as to what status the refugees arriving here will be given?

Personally I couldn't care less if they can't work immediately but if you've been following the thread closely, some posters will be losing sleep over this. I'm just happy they're out of a horrible war zone.
 

I found the following piece from that article particularly interesting - it's something that coleridge alluded to earlier in this thread but appears to have been overlooked:

It is certainly true that over the last few years, Germany, Italy and several other western European countries have seen a marked fall in their indigenous birth rate. They have ageing populations, and are failing to produce enough young people of their own. In accepting large numbers of energetic young migrants, they are actuated not just by compassion – though that cannot be denied – but also by a certain economic logic.
 
I found the following piece from that article particularly interesting - it's something that coleridge alluded to earlier in this thread but appears to have been overlooked:

It is certainly true that over the last few years, Germany, Italy and several other western European countries have seen a marked fall in their indigenous birth rate. They have ageing populations, and are failing to produce enough young people of their own. In accepting large numbers of energetic young migrants, they are actuated not just by compassion – though that cannot be denied – but also by a certain economic logic.

It's one of the pressures which allows them to justify completely ignoring their own EU regulations while still mouthing off about others not doing their bit.
 
The UK's population will overtake Germany's in the next 20 yearsas ours grows and theirs falls. Germany's surface area is around 50% more and they have, over recent years, been demolishing large numbers of buildings that are no longer required so they are certainly in a much better place than us to take in large numbers of new people.
 
I found the following piece from that article particularly interesting - it's something that coleridge alluded to earlier in this thread but appears to have been overlooked:

It is certainly true that over the last few years, Germany, Italy and several other western European countries have seen a marked fall in their indigenous birth rate. They have ageing populations, and are failing to produce enough young people of their own. In accepting large numbers of energetic young migrants, they are actuated not just by compassion – though that cannot be denied – but also by a certain economic logic.

Thank you kindly. I'm glad that someone was paying attention. Peston expands upon the point today. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34172729

I read last year that the UK economy will overtake Germany's and become the biggest in Europe [after US, China, India and poss Japan] within a couple of decades. This seems inextricably linked to a rising and more youthful population. I also note that Peston alludes to Merkel creaming up the young, fit and middle class whilst Cameroon wanders round refugee camps in the desert carrying away the old and the sick back to Britain. A stark vision, of course.

Finally, I have a mate in Dubai with business in Amaan. He says Jordan in booming following the influx of wealthy Syrians and Iraqis. Of course, it is the poor that always suffer - and disproportionately so in times of war. There are millions that simply cannot even escape Syria. Who is caring for them? This is a terrible and tragic situation for humanity to be in and clapping 'refugees' in Munich is not solving the crisis for tens of millions more.
 

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