Religion

[Deleted member 77198]

Did he allow ants on board ?

If so what about termites, I think it is only fair that they have a chance on the last boat to salvation.

Maybe he wanted them eradicated like in Devon

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Well I think that the problem is pride , man thinks he is wise in his own eyes. We so often deny reality and don't face up to ourselves so that we get to the end of ourselves and resolve to turn to the Almighty.
Everyone is religious in that they have an ideology to promote. Atheists believe matter comes into existence uncaused. It is delusional. But that doesn't stop it from being promoted in every university , school government etc. Others we the same ilk say we get reincarnated incessantly and finally into annihilation , existence memory obliterated. Pretty grim. But what is the best ideology? What is the truth?What is the true faith? They cannot all be true because they are so different. Christ says His Word is true. He tells us not to be proudful as none of us can boast. We have all done some not so good things in our lives if we are honest . Our pride stops us from admitting it. But He has provided a joyful blissful way out of that despair if we can humbly face reality.

No we don’t. We just don’t believe it was created by the fiction of humans minds called god or gods.

And like I asked a few pages ago, what created and caused “god” into “existence”? If you don’t have an answer, that’s actually exactly what religious people think, if you think “god” came into existence uncaused.

 

[Blue Mist]

Maybe he wanted them eradicated like in Devon

Well he clearly failed.

Tosser

 

[Elbow beards]

All them animals were clever cunts, they all managed to find their way home from Turkey, cross oceans and seas, all without leaving a trace of their existence outside of their natural habitat. Kangaroo's thought 'well we could just live here? No fuck it we'll travel thousands of miles to the far east then have a big swim back to oz'

 

[Blue Mist]

All them animals were clever cunts, they all managed to find their way home from Turkey, cross oceans and seas, all without leaving a trace of their existence outside of their natural habitat. Kangaroo's thought 'well we could just live here? No fuck it we'll travel thousands of miles to the far east then have a big swim back to oz'

I think that you will find that Noah dropped them off (he was good like that) apart from Kanga, he refused to get off and travelled back to the Hundred Acre Wood where he lived happily ever after.

 

[JASR]

I think that you will find that Noah dropped them off (he was good like that) apart from Kanga, he refused to get off and travelled back to the Hundred Acre Wood where he lived happily ever after.

Ahh finally a decent book of multiple stories is mentioned in the thread.

 

[vmsuhail]

So we are now ignoring historical facts? The Arab slave trade is a historical fact a event that happened. That means the arabs travelled to the mainland africa... I cant take you serious if you are going to choose to be ignorant.

As for your question relating to being more moral than jesus, paul etc. This is why i know this is a pointless discussion. It is islam and mohammed that claims to be the perfect moral example for mankind for all times. Islam is the one that makes those claims. Not paul, not aristotle, paul or plato. So why should i have to defend them? You are making the claim, not me. I am simply saying that based on evidence, you have no grounds to make that claim. Mohammed is nowhere close to being a morally / perfect example for mankind. But you still pray to him and see him as an example for mankind.

I dont believe in Christianity or jesus, but i could look at evidence and say he did not enslave people, he did not rape the people he enslaved, he did not wage war or killed people. So Jesus, if he was real, would have indeed lived a more morally righteous life than Mohammed yes.

I'm not denying history. I haven't seen any references to Arabs doing slave trading in Africa when I studied history of Muhammad(saw) (AD 571-AD 623). Even if there was, my point is that Muhammad(saw) and his companions didn't have a hand in slave trade to Africa. You need to first separate Arabs and Muslims of early 6th century A.D. to understand this. You are the one who has got history mixed up and went on to make outlandish claims like there was a slave rebellion against Muhammad(saw).

It's you who made the moral equation saying I'm more moral than Muhammad(saw). So I put the same question back to you in your style - Are "you" more moral than Jesus(as), Paul, Plato, Aristotle as they didn't speak against slavery but you do. You have replied 3 times since and still haven't answered Yes/No. The comparison of Muhammad(saw) with Jesus(as) was also brought up earlier (again you did it, not me) and I've already explained why it doesn't make any sense. It seems you have lost track of all what we discussed. Go back and check it out instead of parroting the same "kill/enslave/rape".

Islam's claim is that all prophets are examples for mankind, not just Muhammad(saw). It's one of the legacies of Muhammad(saw) that today we have a community of believers that love and respect all prophets of the Bible and Qur'an. I see Muhammad(saw) as a reformist and an example in this issue of slavery, and he addressed this issue as well as he could. The Bible also says Jesus(as) is the way, the life and the truth. Every religion makes such claims, not just Islam as you say. What we consider as moral/righteous is based on the divine Laws, not based on 21st century morality. Muhammad(saw)/Jesus(as)/Lord Ram etc. lived a life in accordance with those laws thereby becoming an example for their followers.

I don't pray to Muhammad(saw). Where did you get that from ? I pray to God, not any mortal prophet.

 

[tonea2003]

You present a false dilemma , false dichotomy where you try to make a person choose between two unrelated options. But in this case it so happens there exists a text where ,again, Jesus is proclaiming divinity.
Jesus is rejected at Nazareth Luke 6 saying that the "Scriptures are fulfilled today in your hearing ... a prophet is not welcome in his hometown etc etc " . The Messianic claim in Isaiah 61 was fulfilled and they got hold of Him they were so angry He " insulted" their town for its rejection of Him and brought him to a cliff to throw Him over and kill Him for blasphemy. Nazareth is on a hill ,plenty of cliffs. He escaped from the crowd and they were thwarted.
Any other false dilemmas ;-) ?

it is not a false dilemma, the gospel purported to be written by john paints a picture of a completely different person(one that should of been stoned right out of the gate) to the one lets say purported to be written by mark.
how is it unrelated? we are supposedly talking about the same person, it is as related as it gets

 

[paulsimpson]

Ignorance that's a bit rich coming from an evangelical Christian.

I burst out laughing at the idiocy of your comment.

A great big fucking boat with no sails, no oars, no propulsion system. Bobbing along on a flooded world.

Why does it need a propulsion system, sails etc

?
The boat only needs to float until the flood subsides and it lands on the Mountains of Ararat .

 

[paulsimpson]

it is not a false dilemma, the gospel purported to be written by john paints a picture of a completely different person(one that should of been stoned right out of the gate) to the one lets say purported to be written by mark.
how is it unrelated? we are supposedly talking about the same person, it is as related as it gets

The synoptic Gospels and John's Gospel tell of Jesus' divinity. They talk about the same person. Just because the synoptics don't talk specifically about a stoning event
( but they do mention attempts to kill Him) doesn't mean they are talking about a different person. It just means narrative from differing angles according to each Gospel writer.