Religion

[Octavian]

It’s something I am interested in so need to do more reading around it. I want to find more evidence than I’ve seen or heard so far, even then it may only show that the Yeshua in question did exist but the Yeshua in question isn’t the man of the gospels.

Start by watching Ehrman debate Christians on YouTube, you’ll very quickly forget all about any bias you’re concerned he has in favour of Christianity.

Then I would read his book on the historical Jesus. He goes a long way to attack parts of Luke and other elements of the Gospels but his evidence for the man actually existing is beyond compelling.

 

[tonea2003]

Start by watching Ehrman debate Christians on YouTube, you’ll very quickly forget all about any bias you’re concerned he has in favour of Christianity.

Then I would read his book on the historical Jesus. He goes a long way to attack parts of Luke and other elements of the Gospels but his evidence for the man actually existing is beyond compelling.

lets just say ehrman is correct and he may well be, i actually do have an open mind about it

what difference does it actually make, he's not divine either way

 

[tonea2003]

It wasn’t the trial of the century, not at the time. Christians were a few dozen shepherds following someone seen a religious zealot. Pilate and the Jews would have sentenced many people to death at that time, it was only absolutely huge for the people who bought it all.

It’s seen as trial of the century to us now tho because of who Jesus became and how the religion grew and in my opinion, this is because the preaching done by Jesus the man (or what the gospels claimed he preached) was more impressive than other religious preachers at the time, so it caught on when it reached written form.

The biggest factor tho is that Pilate is specifically mentioned by the Romans, as being the governor when Jesus was executed by the Romans. This backs up the gospel account.

no it does not, it only means pilate was the governor at the time, nothing else nothing more
if as you say the romans recorded everything then there should be a reference to this particular execution/crucifixion
and that would indeed be a deal breaker, but unfortunately there isn't
there is absolutely nothing that backs up any of the 4 differing gospels certainly not from a roman perspective

 

[arfurclue]

lets just say ehrman is correct and he may well be, i actually do have an open mind about it

what difference does it actually make, he's not divine either way

Are you open to the idea that on some level - beyond appearances - all is connected? This connectedness could be what is called ‘divine’ and that the likes of a Jesus is really but a messenger for this connectedness- and that the connected and seemingly unconnected (human) can come be in union?

 

[tonea2003]

Are you open to the idea that on some level - beyond appearances - all is connected? This connectedness could be what is called ‘divine’ and that the likes of a Jesus is really but a messenger for this connectedness- and that the connected and seemingly unconnected (human) can come be in union?

no

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Start by watching Ehrman debate Christians on YouTube, you’ll very quickly forget all about any bias you’re concerned he has in favour of Christianity.

Then I would read his book on the historical Jesus. He goes a long way to attack parts of Luke and other elements of the Gospels but his evidence for the man actually existing is beyond compelling.

Ta.

The sources I’ve looked at have bypassed the modern scholars and went straight to the contemporary sources of the time (or more accurately just after the time).

Most have had their claims refuted as unreliable, with people like Josephus have been shown that much of what he wrote on all sorts of things has been proven to be untrue (for example, his account of the Siege of Masada).

Obviously an author writing an entire book about it must have done greater research on it than I have, so I will delve into them.

 

[arfurclue]

no

Well, there you go then :)

Out of curiosity, what do you make of this sort of thing? :

“"You can't prove quantum mechanics, but local realism, or hidden local action, is incompatible with our experiment," NIST's Krister Shalm says. "Our results agree with what quantum mechanics predicts about the spooky actions shared by entangled particles."”

NIST Team Proves 'Spooky Action at a Distance' is Really Real

BOULDER, Colo.—Einstein was wrong about at least one thing: There are, in fact, "spooky actions at a distance," as now proven by researchers at the National

www.nist.gov

 

[Octavian]

Ta.

The sources I’ve looked at have bypassed the modern scholars and went straight to the contemporary sources of the time (or more accurately just after the time).

Most have had their claims refuted as unreliable, with people like Josephus have been shown that much of what he wrote on all sorts of things has been proven to be untrue (for example, his account of the Siege of Masada).

Obviously an author writing an entire book about it must have done greater research on it than I have, so I will delve into them.

Motivation is a key factor when it comes to sources like Josephus and anyone else who was anti Christian that early, which there wasn’t short supply of.

 

[Octavian]

no it does not, it only means pilate was the governor at the time, nothing else nothing more
if as you say the romans recorded everything then there should be a reference to this particular execution/crucifixion
and that would indeed be a deal breaker, but unfortunately there isn't
there is absolutely nothing that backs up any of the 4 differing gospels certainly not from a roman perspective

There was, Roman historian Tacitus wrote Jesus was given the highest punishment during the reign of Pilate. He was an independent source who slated christians but yet stated the above.

 

[Octavian]

lets just say ehrman is correct and he may well be, i actually do have an open mind about it

what difference does it actually make, he's not divine either way

Well for an amateur historian like me it makes all the difference, as historical fact is all I care about.

Theologically it makes absolutely no difference and as I’ve said, I’m not going to argue with you that miracles and people rising from the dead never happened.