Repercussions - From the PL, FA, UEFA and within the Club

[samarasra]

Five live doing their best to get punishments ramped up.
Suggestions by that **** Jenas including enough points deducted from the 6 next season to make it a relegation fight and big fines.

What an original idea. There would be fan protests, player protests from the 6 that would make the past weeks protests seem tiny, then there would be counter protests from the 14's fans etc. Best move would be pass clear specific rules to prevent this happening again and get all 20 clubs together for an unlimited period to negotiate what each club wants from the PL, what they can achieve and what they have to compromise on. Football is tribal and owners selfish and blinkered but unless they work together these issues will recur over and over. Now back to reality.

 

[chaddblue]

Nout will happen

 

[BolinCell]

Haven’t read the whole thread, just caught up on the last few pages.
There’s no way in a million years there will be points deducted.
I’m basing that on the fact that we are miles ahead of the other 5 clubs.
Imagine a 10 point deduction, we’re still top, united are in a scrap for 4th, Chelsea Arse Spurs and Liverpool miss out on CL next season. Fun to dream, but never going to happen.

What about a 20 point deduction then. :-)

 

[M12Blue]

I'm wondering how long it will be before Tyler stops calling all the teams one of the shameful six when he commentates on our games.

All teams you say ...... let me think ;)

 

[MillionMilesAway]

The German ownership model?

It’s a joke as well as a myth.

Why are Leverkusen called Bayer? Because they are owned totally by the Bayer Chemical company.

Why are RB Leipzig called RB? Because they are owned lock stock and barrel by Red Bull. Their ‘members’ (all 20 of them) are Red Bull employees.

Then there is Wolfsburg owned pretty well owned by Volkswagen.

I think this is a simplification (to the best of my knowledge). It isn't a myth, instead it has exceptions for reasons. It isn't a joke either - German football supported it strongly when it was last tested.

Wolfsburg and Leverkusen are outliers because they were what they are before the 50+1 rule was brought in - exceptions due to longstanding past funding when rules were brought in, as they are works teams rather than the more common community/municipality club. They are therefore stronger examples of why forced 50+1 isn't really a fair option for privately owned clubs.

Leipzig are a construct that adhere to the rules having subverted them completely, and the rest of German football are wildly unimpressed with how it was done.

The 50+1 is only about 20 years old, I think, and arose when private ownership started coming into German football. About 10 years ago, a club (Hamburg, maybe) proposed overturning it, a proposal that was overwhelmingly voted down.

 

[BlueRockape]

As I understand the 14 other PL teams via their chairmen are not
Going to talk to the selfish 6
Going to block any proposals
Won't work with them
Want them all severely punished
Becouse they would have gone bust without them ? Seams nose off to spite face stuff as if their pushing us away SL may not be finished if they keep pushing

 

[ONTHERUNWITHTHAKSIN]

Marvin started a thread of us coming together as one with the Rags

That’s enough punishment

 

[BlueRockape]

What an original idea. There would be fan protests, player protests from the 6 that would make the past weeks protests seem tiny, then there would be counter protests from the 14's fans etc. Best move would be pass clear specific rules to prevent this happening again and get all 20 clubs together for an unlimited period to negotiate what each club wants from the PL, what they can achieve and what they have to compromise on. Football is tribal and owners selfish and blinkered but unless they work together these issues will recur over and over. Now back to reality.

Liked
But they are refusing to work with us they just want retribution not dialogue

 

[yerwot?]

I think this is a simplification (to the best of my knowledge). It isn't a myth, instead it has exceptions for reasons. It isn't a joke either - German football supported it strongly when it was last tested.

Wolfsburg and Leverkusen are outliers because they were what they are before the 50+1 rule was brought in - exceptions due to longstanding past funding when rules were brought in, as they are works teams rather than the more common community/municipality club. They are therefore stronger examples of why forced 50+1 isn't really a fair option for privately owned clubs.

Leipzig are a construct that adhere to the rules having subverted them completely, and the rest of German football are wildly unimpressed with how it was done.

The 50+1 is only about 20 years old, I think, and arose when private ownership started coming into German football. About 10 years ago, a club (Hamburg, maybe) proposed overturning it, a proposal that was overwhelmingly voted down.

a poster on here from germany (not posted for ages afik) Ruhr , pointed out the good and bad of the 50+1 rule, and it made me see it as not the be-all that i thought it was. Seems to me the German clubs and supporters have a much closer relationship, to the benefit of both, whereas in the UK the supporters are little more than a nuisance with a token nod here and there. It reflects the German business model in general with worker presence in boardrooms. The 50+1 does make the make the clubs less susceptible to asset strippers/predators/glazer and for that alone could be excellent, but still lots more that need fixing....

 

[MillionMilesAway]

a poster on here from germany (not posted for ages afik) Ruhr , pointed out the good and bad of the 50+1 rule, and it made me see it as not the be-all that i thought it was. Seems to me the German clubs and supporters have a much closer relationship, to the benefit of both, whereas in the UK the supporters are little more than a nuisance with a token nod here and there. It reflects the German business model in general with worker presence in boardrooms. The 50+1 does make the make the clubs less susceptible to asset strippers/predators/glazer and for that alone could be excellent, but still lots more that need fixing....

Absolutely - pros and cons for it. As I see it, it largely works to prevent lunacy as you say it - the key is what you say though, the fans are much closer because they have a controlling vote.

It puts them at a disadvantage against less constrained clubs.