Right back options

Measuring full-backs by how they deal with Doku is an absolute waste: he will destroy EVERYONE one-to-one. In addition, our full-backs do so much more than defend against wingers.

I've not seen much of Palestra but he repeatedly tops the stats for the best leagues.
Naturally, if you are playing in a weaker league, your stats may be elevated.

I am excited to see who we bring in: I don't think we need too much - a full-back and two central midfielders, and believe we are pretty much there.

People will suggest an additional winger but between Doku, Semenyo, Marmoush, Foden, Cherki, and McAidoo, I think we have enough, even if only three are 'natural' wide-men.
 
oldius said:
Measuring full-backs by how they deal with Doku is an absolute waste: he will destroy EVERYONE one-to-one. In addition, our full-backs do so much more than defend against wingers.

I've not seen much of Palestra but he repeatedly tops the stats for the best leagues.
Naturally, if you are playing in a weaker league, your stats may be elevated.

I am excited to see who we bring in: I don't think we need too much - a full-back and two central midfielders, and believe we are pretty much there.

People will suggest an additional winger but between Doku, Semenyo, Marmoush, Foden, Cherki, and McAidoo, I think we have enough, even if only three are 'natural' wide-men.
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Don’t think we can include Foden as a forward, best used as a 8/10 for me, in fact a midfield of Rodri/Anderson / in form Foden is perfect,Cherki possibly, could be used as a wide forward when required not sure it’s his best position though.
 
Skrastins said:
we might

its really a toss up, depends on what Maresca wants at this point

Read screams modern elite full-back, has eveything to succeed tbh, he's only weakness, from the looks of this season, is injuries, he missed 28 games this/last season
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Palestra is more like safe choice, decent further up the pitch, is ok inverting, good defender, there is a lot to like, also will he stay long-term, he may get home sick as other Italians in prem

Gusto seems like right choice, Maresca knows him and what he can do, so seems like safe choice also, now it depends if Chelsea will allow for him to leave, price most likely will be up compared to other options, also there has been 0 links

Kayode is a wild card, sure he has PL experience, but he's attacking and inverting is a big question mark
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Kayode shouldn't be on our radar. Sorry. Gusto sounds like thr type of player who'd follow a Manager who trusts him to his new team. So he wont surprise me. Otherwise, Reis as a defensive RB might be the other option.
 
blueparrot said:
Don’t think we can include Foden as a forward, best used as a 8/10 for me, in fact a midfield of Rodri/Anderson / in form Foden is perfect,Cherki possibly, could be used as a wide forward when required not sure it’s his best position though.
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I agree that Cherki and Foden are natural 10s. I'm interested to see if Maresca plays two natural wide players or does as Pep did for a time - on explosive winger with an opposite 'controller of possession'.
 
oldius said:
Measuring full-backs by how they deal with Doku is an absolute waste: he will destroy EVERYONE one-to-one. In addition, our full-backs do so much more than defend against wingers.

I've not seen much of Palestra but he repeatedly tops the stats for the best leagues.
Naturally, if you are playing in a weaker league, your stats may be elevated.

I am excited to see who we bring in: I don't think we need too much - a full-back and two central midfielders, and believe we are pretty much there.

People will suggest an additional winger but between Doku, Semenyo, Marmoush, Foden, Cherki, and McAidoo, I think we have enough, even if only three are 'natural' wide-men.
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Only Doku is a natural wide man. That's why many of us think a winger is needed. Especially if Savio leaves. For Maresca Pure wingers have been a key part of his structure at Leicester and Chelsea. I doubt that would change here.
 
Dax777 said:
Only Doku is a natural wide man. That's why many of us think a winger is needed. Especially if Savio leaves. For Maresca Pure wingers have been a key part of his structure at Leicester and Chelsea. I doubt that would change here.
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I think the sale of Savinho would be an error. I included McAidoo as he is a natural wide-man and suits Viana's desire for academy integration. We could possibly argue the same for Reigan Heskey too.

I have no issues in bringing in a winger but would prioritise full back and central midfield
 
Dax777 said:
Why?
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I imagine the amount of work Pep has to keep dedicating to Nunes maybe isn’t something that Maresca wants to do? He may actually just want a proper RB or one that even knows his role within his own system hence the Gusto link? For clarification, I’m not hating on Nunes at all but this isn’t Pep now and it isn’t a Pep team? What we were used to with Pep is going to change slightly imo
 
oldius said:
I think the sale of Savinho would be an error. I included McAidoo as he is a natural wide-man and suits Viana's desire for academy integration. We could possibly argue the same for Reigan Heskey too.

I have no issues in bringing in a winger but would prioritise full back and central midfield
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I understand. I just tend to view the youth team guys as supplemental players. Until they are established 1st teamers i don't count on them in my mind. They are cup/(rash of injuries) replacement guys rather than actual first teamers.

Agreed.Central Mid is our most serious issue. Need to get Anderson in first. Then start making decisions. Is Rodri leaving ( if so, consider the Fernandez kid at West Ham), I think the level of technique and energy Anderson and Fernandez bring will form a fantastic CM base. Then probably keep Nico G & Reijnders to rotate with those 2 and Kova as the experienced 5th wheel. That should keep us solid at CM.

Right back for me depends on whether we' want Reis to play there as a backup to Nunes and play it like a 3rd CB ( a system Maresca tends to use) or we find suitable competition like Gusto.

If we get a pure winger to compete with Semenyo on the Right, say Minte or Moussa. Then playing a defensive RB makes even more sense.

But s lot depends on Maresca's strategies
 
richards30 said:
I imagine the amount of work Pep has to keep dedicating to Nunes maybe isn’t something that Maresca wants to do? He may actually just want a proper RB or one that even knows his role within his own system hence the Gusto link? For clarification, I’m not hating on Nunes at all but this isn’t Pep now and it isn’t a Pep team? What we were used to with Pep is going to change slightly imo
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Nunes was the best RB in the Premier league, and Palestra was the best in the Italian league. I wont be so quick to assume he'd outplay Nunes in the Prem.


i don't think Pep was dedicating extra work to him during the season. That at best happened over the summer. By season start, he was easily a plug and play starter. Our fans didn't see him that way, but his play was that of a fullbck.

Gusto would be a more serious challenge for Nunes as he is very familiar with Maresca's patterns. But Maresca also does many things like Pep. Including playing RB as a 3rd CB. Something Nunes did many times

Gusto will be a rotational challenge for Nunes. Im not so sure i can confidently say the same about any player coming from an inferior league.
 
I still think we’ll have a nibble for Porro, especially if Spurs are so intent on Savinho. He’s established in the League and at the optimal selling point with two years on his contract. It would make sense in that Viana knows him, he would settle well with Rodri and Gonzalez, and Nunes could then be comfortably rested and rotated more often. My only real concern is Porro’s lack of height, 1.73. Nunes already gets targeted in the air and he’s 1.83.

Mentioned a while ago that Porto have two young right backs that, for me, look better suited to adapting to the Premier League: Alberto Costa (22) and Martim Fernandes (20). The former is 1.86 and the latter 1.81.

Depending on how much we have left after strengthening the midfield, which might not be a lot, then I wouldn’t be against Costa. He’s strong, has good stamina, no serious injury record, and has an impressive burst of pace. Has a good cross from the 18-yard line and had 9 League assists last season.

Actually he’s quite akin to Nunes, so if we are looking for similar, as opposed to different, then might be worth consideration.
 
richards30 said:
I imagine the amount of work Pep has to keep dedicating to Nunes maybe isn’t something that Maresca wants to do? He may actually just want a proper RB or one that even knows his role within his own system hence the Gusto link? For clarification, I’m not hating on Nunes at all but this isn’t Pep now and it isn’t a Pep team? What we were used to with Pep is going to change slightly imo
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No,Pep turned into a proper right back and a right back that if O’Reilly is the inverted full back on the other side is perfect for how Maresca has always used the other full back. There is a chance Maresca will try different tactics to his previous but we only know what we know.That tells us Nunes is a right back and a very good one that fits Maresca, no matter how much you might want a new one that takes his place.
What we need is a rotation full back that fits what Maresca wants, which may be Gusto because he played a similar role to Cucurella that Nunes would play to either O’Reilly or Ait Nouri.
 
Not sure what the point of getting an attacking full back is, Nunes played left wing last season and was good there so if what Maresca wants is a full back that can bomb forward he's perfect. Only reason he didn't last season is I assume Pep told him not to. Don't watch the Italian league so maybe I'm wrong but I think Palestra is the one. Sounds like he can defend and that is all thats important for at least 1 of our full backs. Since O'Reilly and Ait-Nouri can't then the new right back needs to be able to.
 
Although I’m slightly worried about his injury history if we don’t get Palestra we will go for Read. Same age profile and would come in under Nunes. Still plenty of links going around that us and Bayern have asked
 
bell_mcfc said:
Although I’m slightly worried about his injury history if we don’t get Palestra we will go for Read. Same age profile and would come in under Nunes. Still plenty of links going around that us and Bayern have asked
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Last year, when we had no idea that Nunes would flourish at right-back, we passed on Frimpong, who had a greater body of work under his belt than Read and who would have also counted as home grown. Slot could also have advised Liverpool to choose Read last year, having managed him previously at Feyenoord, but instead they went for more experience. Read’s injury record this year is horrendous and, like all youngsters, he now needs to play.

Feyenoord are desperate to raise funds, but I can’t see us subsidising their rebuild for a player who probably wouldn’t make our bench. He has potential, true, but we need stronger, much stronger, if Nunes is not going to break down before Christmas.
 
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