Riots in Manchester city centre (not Salford)

[bluejon]

Starting each post with "of course" adds no credence to it.

As I say, your argument suggests everything is political including paedos and killers. But this situation in not politically motivated and the kids doing this are scum. Nothing more and your middle class self flagulation is simply cringeworthy. Society hasn't failed them. They have failed society.

They are opportunistic thieves. That is all.

Of course (and I use it again because, funnily enough, your posts invite it. Lowest common denominator is now springing to mind) they are opportunistic thieves. Why? Because that is all they know.

Could see this panning out 30 years ago when the politicians then started a seemingly deliberate attempt to reward those who 'could' whilst ripping the rest to fook.

I could see it panning out 40 years ago, when kids were forced into comprehensive schools that served no one's interest, neither the academic ones or the disinterested ones. Before that, the education system offered quite a bit of hope to those who wanted a future.

I could see it panning out when firms were encouraged to outsource jobs to India instead of being required to provide jobs to their own citizens. Very few British undergraduates now study Computing because it's pointless, as the jobs that used to be there for them have gone to India.

We've continued to encourage lower standards in society and not supported the people who refuse to lower their own. We've been let down by politicians of all parties and business leaders. Thatcher got things wrong as all politicians have done but you can't lay all the blame on her. She was actually one of the few politicians that encouraged and enabled people to take control of their lives instead of just offering platitudes and meaningless initiatives.

This is nothing to do with Cameron and Clegg - it's been going on for years and as a silent majority we've been supine about defending the good bits of our society and sense of community from those who don't care about it. We've sat back and allowed the state to take us to places where we shouldn't be.

Like many others i was a bit cynical about 'Big Society' but it's what we need. Many communities, Muslim, Sikh, Jewish and others, already practice it and take responsibility for themselves. They encourage their children to get on, take advantage of education and work hard for the things they want.

The one good thing that may come out of the last few days is that we see that sort of attitude spreading.

agree with some of yer points, especially the last bit that there will be a good feeling across this city when we all meet up in town tomorrow with a broom an a bin bag, but sorry, yer points on thatcher are well off the mark. she was a ****, pure and simple

 

[1.618034]

It makes me piss, these fuckers are takers nothing more not disfranchised or disassociated,

this fucking country is a land of opportunity for gods sake, if you are prepared to put the graft in at school, in your working life whatever you can achieve anything

Exactly! Why are we inundated with migrants from eastern europe and Asia? Because they want to live in poverty? No. Because there are great opportunities for work and or training in this country. The opportunities on offer are there but these sub-human's aren't interested because it takes effort, it's boring, it's sad, it's easier to claim off the state, steal and sell. That's a life choice.

None of these fuckers are starving. But they think it's minimum living standards to have a huge TV an Xbox, PC, Blueray, iPod/iPhone, SKY subscription, latest trainers/watches/jeans... you name it they think it's their right to have all these things and don't care how they get it, so long as it doesn't involve any work or responsibility. I don't have all those things because even though me and the mrs are both professionals, we can't afford it. They are low-life theiving scum. End of.

Arrest em, charge em, neuter em.



The fact that we all knew it was coming and the police are just stood off watching and waiting for the CCTV footage is pathetic and just encourages more to join in. Meanwhile the city centre burns.

This is really depressing.

 

[TCIB]

I dont think your getting his point. The masses and masses of bad governance which create all these issues builds up and manifests its self in many ways.

In this instance, these kids probably dont have a father figure or lazy/bad parents who have obviously not brought em up right.

Dole culture, lack of genuine law that keeps folk who would try it on in check. You could add any ammount of social issues together and you would get this result.

 

[Metal Biker]

Young people of Britain are pissed off apparently. They hate the 'rich' because they've worked hard, over long hours for many years to create a business that benefits the local community.

They feel left out, left behind, and regarded as worthless members of society. They are angry and frustrated at a future that is bleak and pointless.

So their justified answer to this situation they find themselves in, is to attack these businesses, burn them down, take all they can, assault other members of society, rob them if necessary and causing enough damage to the local community while at the same time wreaking the livelihoods of others in the area and put hard working families out of work, just to show everyone that they are less than satisfied with their lot?

AND PEOPLE ARE DEFENDING THESE ACTIONS!?!?

 

[johnmc]

Seems to me the police are shot scared to do anything.

To be fair one of there colleagues is getting done for manslaughter for shoving someone who had heart problems and was 5 times the drink drive limit

Don't you mean for a thuggish and cowardly assault on a short, frail, middle aged man with his hands in his pockets, who was just walking home from work and posed no threat whatsoever, and then lying through his teeth about it afterwards?
That poor fucker can't be compared to the cockroaches destroying our city centre with impunity.

Look he was in a riot situation making no special effort to get out of the polices way. He was leathered. Now being drunk is not a crime don't get me wrong but would you go drinking in town tonight?

It was not a vicious assault by any means. Anyone who has seen the footage will agree. Most on here are advocating some heavy handed treatment. There are thousands in town just looking on as to what's going on. Maybe they will not move either when asked to move as they consider themselves innocent bystanders. So if they get a baton they will sue, or if they have a medical condition and die the copper could be done for possibly murder. In the face on whats going on it would be welcomed by many if they cleared house. But they wont because of the possible consequences. Soft arse country standing back watching it happen for exactly this reason.

No hitting
No water cannon
No Kettling
No plastic bullets
No tear gas
No order

 

[BWTAC]

I have just watched some chav knobhead on the news actually part blame the rise in VAT as part of the cause? WTF.

 

[LongsightM13]

Well he nearly got away...

Aaaahhaahhaaa!!!
It's fucking Snoop Dogg trying to make a getaway on a space hopper.

 

[rag]

Manchester rag here. Pretty liberal myself, and no lover of the police. Do we want these scrotes to ruin and thieve ? There is no protest here just thuggery and theft. Time to flood the streets with decent mancs and they'll all run away. Then we can think about why it happened.

 

[bluejon]

I dont think your getting his point. The masses and masses of bad governance which create all these issues builds up and manifests its self in many ways.

In this instance, these kids probably dont have a father figure or lazy/bad parents who have obviously not brought em up right.

Dole culture, lack of genuine law that keeps folk who would try it on in check. You could add any ammount of social issues together and you would get this result.

if that was a reply to me, i do get his point, but i think its wrong. thatcher's policies were put in place for no one other than the rich of this country, and damn the rest of us. i personally believe the break down of what community we had left was truly detroyed around that time, 'there is no society' etc. each to their own, but i will celebrate when that woman dies

 

[SWP's back]

Here's my idea. I don't feel sorry for them. I deal with them every day, and believe me when I say they wind me up much more than they do you.

What I AM annoyed about however is the way they have been allowed to get to this state, one of expecting it all with no return and without the ability to even see the bigger picture. I blame politicians for this for one reason alone; because they created it when this country was the best in the world and they got lazy.

Ha! The country was a bloody wreck in 1980!

Financially, yes.
Then Thatcher got in and we were morally fucked too. But at least everyone that mattered got two cars per household, a savings account, three fooking gcse's that meant nowt and a sense of 'fook you, I'm doing ok'

You werent even born then. You have no idea how things changed so quickly. You can read about it but trust me when I say this country changed completely. And now we have the legacy. Yes they are scummy little bastids, but they are what the politicians and politics created.

I had the Warburtons add music on when reading that.