Riots in Manchester city centre (not Salford)

[bobmcfc]

Manchester rag here. Pretty liberal myself, and no lover of the police. Do we want these scrotes to ruin and thieve ? There is no protest here just thuggery and theft. Time to flood the streets with decent mancs and they'll all run away. Then we can think about why it happened.

not just that. at this rate they will call off the football. these kids need a thick ear

 

[rag]

WHERE ARE THE ARMY?!

Jesus H Christ, when we need the army to keep peace in our streets we are truly screwed - I speak as a great believer in the quality of our armed forces.

 

[Cheesy]

i dont think anyone is trying to excuse these vermin however a wider look at the situation has to be viewed, here is a list of what pisses people of in britain today

speed cameras
stop and search
no stamp no dole
census
smoking ban
dont drink outside
clamping
rip off water charges
rip off gas charges
rip off electric charges
rip off bank charges
rip off petrol charges

it goes on and on and on and i'm affraid people have had enough, it can be dressed up as looting or the blacks having a bad day but its all down to the economics of the country

Bullshit.

Those things you've listed may well piss off lots of people but are you seriously saying that's why feral youths are running riot?

yes i am my teenage lad is in college the uproar on here was imense when the ema got stopped,the iner city kids have nothing except criminal records, going back to my lad 3 years in college with all his paper work and nothing 'fuck all' and the situation will get worse when these kids get older the country will find the majority of the work force unskiled, government neglect, and people stand and watch while mp's pocket thousands in bent scams, open your eyes lad and look whats going on

Which of those listed affect your teenage lad (or any teenager) to the point where rioting is justified?

speed cameras - If you speed you get caught. Sounds fair.
stop and search - If so many youths didn't carry knives this wouldn't happen.
no stamp no dole - Contirubte fuck all... get fuck all. Sounds fair.
census - Er, been around for years. Are you being serious?
smoking ban - FFS, if this enrages someone they need to get some help.
dont drink outside - Ditto.
clamping - Yeah, I'll give you that it can be annoying. But worth rioting about?
rip off water charges - How many teenagers pay this?
rip off gas charges - Ditto.
rip off electric charges - Ditto.
rip off bank charges - Ditto.
rip off petrol charges - Ditto.

Face it, you're talking shite in a pathetic attempt to justify what these fucks are doing to our towns & cities.

 

[bluejon]

if that was a reply to me, i do get his point, but i think its wrong. thatcher's policies were put in place for no one other than the rich of this country, and damn the rest of us. i personally believe the break down of what community we had left was truly detroyed around that time, 'there is no society' etc. each to their own, but i will celebrate when that woman dies

if that wasn't a reply to me, i'll get me coat

Hehe sorry bud it was to another fella. I didn't read the Thatcher debate happening here matey.

soapbox has been put away and coat has been gathered

 

[SWP's back]

That's a pretty cheap shot tbh, your normally much better than that. They take more out than they put in? Whose fault is that? Parenting with low asperations, kids don't really stand much of a chance do they? We do live in a world where parents can confuse love with buying shit they can ill afford and their offspring certainly don't need but parents don't like seeing their kids without, perhaps like they did growing up, not a good reason I accept but it doesn't make it less true. All kids are broadly born the same and have the same ability to achieve their inherent goals given the right environment that said there are plenty of kids as bad if not worse of not running fucking havoc so for the purpose of this debate I'd be inclined to see them right first.

My patience is running thin and there are more people telling me they support my view than are against it. I'll live with that. I have no sympathy for these cunts. I'm watching a guy who has lost £50 k of stock, others with cars and houses burnt. These kids don't have a clue about poverty.

What do we have to do? Run parenting classes? Stop women having 7 kids to ensure they get their council house and benefits?

My patience is running thin too. You refuse to acknowledge that these peoples lives have been influenced by politics. Why can't you see that they have? How can they not have?
Not excusing anybody's behaviour, just saying that they are products of society, and that involves politicians forming how society evolves because of their decisions.

So you agree that Huntley and Shiman are also a product therefore of society and therefore politics, by your own reasoning.

As has been said, we have thousands of immigrants coming to the UK as we are a place of opportunity, they have great opportunity but no application.

Bleed your heart away. But seeing as we are getting nowhere, let's discontinue our discussion.

 

[mackenzie]

Ha! The country was a bloody wreck in 1980!

Financially, yes.
Then Thatcher got in and we were morally fucked too. But at least everyone that mattered got two cars per household, a savings account, three fooking gcse's that meant nowt and a sense of 'fook you, I'm doing ok'

You werent even born then. You have no idea how things changed so quickly. You can read about it but trust me when I say this country changed completely. And now we have the legacy. Yes they are scummy little bastids, but they are what the politicians and politics created.

I had the Warburtons add music on when reading that.

Good. As in you usually have a lot to say for yourself (most of it good posts I hasten to add) and the fact your replies are now getting shorter by the minute leads me to think you have started to see my point of view?


Lol!! I wish. However, I think we both want the same conclusion here, it's just that we see different catalysts.

 

[LongsightM13]

It makes me piss, these fuckers are takers nothing more not disfranchised or disassociated,

this fucking country is a land of opportunity for gods sake, if you are prepared to put the graft in at school, in your working life whatever you can achieve anything

Exactly! Why are we inundated with migrants from eastern europe and Asia? Because they want to live in poverty? No. Because there are great opportunities for work and or training in this country. The opportunities on offer are there but these sub-human's aren't interested because it takes effort, it's boring, it's sad, it's easier to claim off the state, steal and sell. That's a life choice.

None of these fuckers are starving. But they think it's minimum living standards to have a huge TV an Xbox, PC, Blueray, iPod/iPhone, SKY subscription, latest trainers/watches/jeans... you name it they think it's their right to have all these things and don't care how they get it, so long as it doesn't involve any work or responsibility. I don't have all those things because even though me and the mrs are both professionals, we can't afford it. They are low-life theiving scum. End of.

Arrest em, charge em, neuter em.



The fact that we all knew it was coming and the police are just stood off watching and waiting for the CCTV footage is pathetic and just encourages more to join in. Meanwhile the city centre burns.

This is really depressing.

Superb post.
The 'society made me bad', 'poverty made me steal' argument is lazy, patronising bullshit for people with no morals. Saw a lot of it growing up and it was all lies.
There are millions in the same boat who do not turn to criminality but who work hard to improve their lot.
Whatever happened to taking personal responsibility for your own choices and actions?

 

[TCIB]

if that wasn't a reply to me, i'll get me coat

Hehe sorry bud it was to another fella. I didn't read the Thatcher debate happening here matey.

soapbox has been put away and coat has been gathered

Pmsl hehe.

Anyone know if its getting worse now or anything ? im in wigan so don't have much of a clue whats going in and out of town. Were all those cars reported coming into town more looters or vigilantes ?.

 

[SWP's back]

Bullshit.

Those things you've listed may well piss off lots of people but are you seriously saying that's why feral youths are running riot?

yes i am my teenage lad is in college the uproar on here was imense when the ema got stopped,the iner city kids have nothing except criminal records, going back to my lad 3 years in college with all his paper work and nothing 'fuck all' and the situation will get worse when these kids get older the country will find the majority of the work force unskiled, government neglect, and people stand and watch while mp's pocket thousands in bent scams, open your eyes lad and look whats going on

Which of those listed affect your teenage lad (or any teenager) to the point where rioting is justified?

speed cameras - If you speed you get caught. Sounds fair.
stop and search - If so many youths didn't carry knives this wouldn't happen.
no stamp no dole - Contirubte fuck all... get fuck all. Sounds fair.
census - Er, been around for years. Are you being serious?
smoking ban - FFS, if this enrages someone they need to get some help.
dont drink outside - Ditto.
clamping - Yeah, I'll give you that it can be annoying. But worth rioting about?
rip off water charges - How many teenagers pay this?
rip off gas charges - Ditto.
rip off electric charges - Ditto.
rip off bank charges - Ditto.
rip off petrol charges - Ditto.

Face it, you're talking shite in a pathetic attempt to justify what these fucks are doing to our towns & cities.

Great points well made

 

[Deleted member 14625]

It makes me piss, these fuckers are takers nothing more not disfranchised or disassociated,

this fucking country is a land of opportunity for gods sake, if you are prepared to put the graft in at school, in your working life whatever you can achieve anything

Exactly! Why are we inundated with migrants from eastern europe and Asia? Because they want to live in poverty? No. Because there are great opportunities for work and or training in this country. The opportunities on offer are there but these sub-human's aren't interested because it takes effort, it's boring, it's sad, it's easier to claim off the state, steal and sell. That's a life choice.

None of these fuckers are starving. But they think it's minimum living standards to have a huge TV an Xbox, PC, Blueray, iPod/iPhone, SKY subscription, latest trainers/watches/jeans... you name it they think it's their right to have all these things and don't care how they get it, so long as it doesn't involve any work or responsibility. I don't have all those things because even though me and the mrs are both professionals, we can't afford it. They are low-life theiving scum. End of.

Arrest em, charge em, neuter em.



The fact that we all knew it was coming and the police are just stood off watching and waiting for the CCTV footage is pathetic and just encourages more to join in. Meanwhile the city centre burns.

This is really depressing.

Superb post.
The 'society made me bad', 'poverty made me steal' argument is lazy, patronising bullshit for people with no morals. Saw a lot of it growing up and it was all lies.
There are millions in the same boat who do not turn to criminality but who work hard to improve their lot.
Whatever happened to taking personal responsibility for your own choices and actions?

My mate runs his own car valeting business and he had to sack English lads because they didn't work hard enough, turned up pissed, turned up late, didn't show up at all.. so now employs Polish lads who all work hard and even turn up early and leave later!