Rise of the Planet of the Apes

[Gelsons Dad]

Isn't that because Caesar told them not to?

That's what I got from the film Caesar didn't want the apes killing. Which I think was more to do with him not wanting harm to come to his adopted family or other good people in general.

But the problem is that while Caesar was bestowed with the genetic improvements from birth and raised in a human like way and therefore learned some human moral dictums, the other apes were not. They were common or garden apes who were only treated with the drug. So they would retain the moral core instincts of Apes as they know nothing else. Also the side effect off the drug itself was shown early on and yet it failed to manifest itself in a life or death fight for freedom.

The rest of the film was very good but this sudden suppression of instincts that have developed over millions of years isn't in step with the rest of the film.

 

[ElanJo]

There is a bit of a problem with this film unfortunately. Throughout the film humans are shown to act cruelly towards the apes. In the scenes at the end of the film humans are seen killing apes but apart from the one act of "revenge" the apes are only seen disarming or incapacitating humans. It is a deliberate attempt to bestow some kind of higher moral virtue on the apes. However, in the wild, Apes act with considerably less virtue towards other species that threaten them, other packs that threaten their territory and against members of their own packs. There is plenty of footage of apes attacking, killing and eating their own. The film suffers by failing to show the true nature of the wild apes in the final scenes. One whiff of the drug and they suddenly subscribe to non lethal combat dictum!

It's a shame because the final bridge scene would have been much more powerful if the apes had acted more ape like.

Caesar was the Alpha male and ordered them not to. I think it was to some degree because of ethical reasons but also because he knew the power humans have.

As far as chimps go in real life, they do get violent sometimes but it is slightly overblown. Quite often it's a result of humans interfering in group dynamics, particularly when it comes to food.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Film of the year for me loved it all, story, CGI and nods to the other films, after the disappointment of lots of films this year was good to see something like this.

 

[BimboBob]

There is a bit of a problem with this film unfortunately. Throughout the film humans are shown to act cruelly towards the apes. In the scenes at the end of the film humans are seen killing apes but apart from the one act of "revenge" the apes are only seen disarming or incapacitating humans. It is a deliberate attempt to bestow some kind of higher moral virtue on the apes. However, in the wild, Apes act with considerably less virtue towards other species that threaten them, other packs that threaten their territory and against members of their own packs. There is plenty of footage of apes attacking, killing and eating their own. The film suffers by failing to show the true nature of the wild apes in the final scenes. One whiff of the drug and they suddenly subscribe to non lethal combat dictum!

It's a shame because the final bridge scene would have been much more powerful if the apes had acted more ape like.

So you are saying that, if threatened, apes will attack humans? That's just the crazy talk of a madman.

 

[gaudinho's stolen car]

Isn't that because Caesar told them not to?

That's what I got from the film Caesar didn't want the apes killing. Which I think was more to do with him not wanting harm to come to his adopted family or other good people in general.

But the problem is that while Caesar was bestowed with the genetic improvements from birth and raised in a human like way and therefore learned some human moral dictums, the other apes were not. They were common or garden apes who were only treated with the drug. So they would retain the moral core instincts of Apes as they know nothing else. Also the side effect off the drug itself was shown early on and yet it failed to manifest itself in a life or death fight for freedom.

The rest of the film was very good but this sudden suppression of instincts that have developed over millions of years isn't in step with the rest of the film.

I bet you thought the talking bit was unrealistic too?

Best film this year, 5 out of 5 cans of Stella.

 

[BulgarianPride]

That's what I got from the film Caesar didn't want the apes killing. Which I think was more to do with him not wanting harm to come to his adopted family or other good people in general.

But the problem is that while Caesar was bestowed with the genetic improvements from birth and raised in a human like way and therefore learned some human moral dictums, the other apes were not. They were common or garden apes who were only treated with the drug. So they would retain the moral core instincts of Apes as they know nothing else. Also the side effect off the drug itself was shown early on and yet it failed to manifest itself in a life or death fight for freedom.

The rest of the film was very good but this sudden suppression of instincts that have developed over millions of years isn't in step with the rest of the film.

I bet you thought the talking bit was unrealistic too?

Best film this year, 5 out of 5 cans of Stella.

That bit was unrealistic :) . He should not have talked in this one. Intelligence does not equal human speech. Apes don't have the same larynx as we do, it is impossible for them to talk like us.
Other than that i liked the movie.

 

[blumoon]

Going to see this in a couple of hours.....shouldn't have looked at this thread now fook :-(

 

[Gelsons Dad]

But the problem is that while Caesar was bestowed with the genetic improvements from birth and raised in a human like way and therefore learned some human moral dictums, the other apes were not. They were common or garden apes who were only treated with the drug. So they would retain the moral core instincts of Apes as they know nothing else. Also the side effect off the drug itself was shown early on and yet it failed to manifest itself in a life or death fight for freedom.

The rest of the film was very good but this sudden suppression of instincts that have developed over millions of years isn't in step with the rest of the film.

I bet you thought the talking bit was unrealistic too?

Best film this year, 5 out of 5 cans of Stella.

That bit was unrealistic :) . He should not have talked in this one. Intelligence does not equal human speech. Apes don't have the same larynx as we do, it is impossible for them to talk like us.
Other than that i liked the movie.

I agree with this.

Fundamentally it's a story of nature verses nurture which is somewhat current.

 

[Franny Lee's Barrel Chest]

I bet Roddy McDowall is turning in his grave. All those hours he spent in make up and now all these actors do is put some small hat on and the computer does the rest!

 

[talkativesprout]

But the problem is that while Caesar was bestowed with the genetic improvements from birth and raised in a human like way and therefore learned some human moral dictums, the other apes were not. They were common or garden apes who were only treated with the drug. So they would retain the moral core instincts of Apes as they know nothing else. Also the side effect off the drug itself was shown early on and yet it failed to manifest itself in a life or death fight for freedom.

The rest of the film was very good but this sudden suppression of instincts that have developed over millions of years isn't in step with the rest of the film.

I bet you thought the talking bit was unrealistic too?

Best film this year, 5 out of 5 cans of Stella.

That bit was unrealistic :) . He should not have talked in this one. Intelligence does not equal human speech. Apes don't have the same larynx as we do, it is impossible for them to talk like us.
Other than that i liked the movie.

They could of worked it in with the the old fella having dementia with a touch of throat cancer and had one of those hand held verb thingies, would of been totally believable then. ;)

 

[platty7]

going to see this on wednesday , am a big fan of the first films got them in a box set and watch them often , the tim burton one was shite, this looks good though .

 

[Kinkyboots10]

Just watched it and thoroughly enjoyed it. Did not disappoint and very different to what I was expecting.

 

[keemcfc]

At the end the Apes rule the world and have humans as pets.

MWUHAHAHAA!!!!! now you all know how it ends!!!!

;)

 

[Ricster]

Just watched it and thoroughly enjoyed it. Did not disappoint and very different to what I was expecting.

I agree. Got a Cam version off the net and i have to say the quality was excellent for a Cam.

Love how the film dragged you in and built a bond with some of the characters. Alot better than i thought it was going to be.

 

[alblue]

Really enjoyed it and didnt think I would do!

like other posters say, its really good at making you feel for caesar.

 

[PSmyth07]

The copy I got cuts out with 10 minutes to go!! :@

 

[jimharri]

Seen it last night. Very good film. A touching last line;

"Caesar is home".

 

[rushts]

Seen it last night. Very good film. A touching last line;

"Caesar is home".

Oh brilliant, nice one. Now i know how it ends with "Ceasar is home" i wont bother watching it now as i know Ceasar goes home, film wrecker.

















who's Ceasar btw ?

 

[TCIB]

Follow-up to this remake has been confirmed, can't wait.

 

[Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot]

Watched this last night far better then the bad reviews I've seen/heard but not as good as I expected it to be.

I believe if they had made the film 2 or 2 1/2 hours instead of its original 1hrs 35mins they could of wrapped it all up without the need of a sequel. it just seemed like a rushed near the end for me and the disease from the alzimars cure was never fully explained kind of just went here's the disease it effects humans but not primates with no full explanation.

I give it a 7/10 but honestly think a sequel is a waste of time when they could of done it all in 1 long film instead of 2 short ones.