Roberto Mancini

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Rascal said:
And as I have said, just because Managers are icons that also doesn't make them nice people.

As I have been in management I know that.
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Exactly. Don't base opinions on hearsay, base them on your own experience of them.
Any manager in any field of work, is always going to be a c*nt in someone's opinion. I found it very easy to live with that, and I expect Mancini and Pep will do exactly the same, for as long as they need to.
As captain, it was part of Kompany's job to alleviate any issues in the dressing room. He didn't do that job particularly well, and let matters/cliques etc get worse, leaving it to the coaching staff to carry the burden. That's why Hart had so much power in the dressing room, and precisely why Pep pushed him out at the first opportunity.
Kompany by that time, was already 'well in' with the club hierarchy, who saw (perhaps still see) a possible future for him on the business side of things at the club, given his business management studies/qualifications. He was effectively 'untouchable' by the time Pellegrini arrived.
 
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The blue phantom said:
Should of stuck to washing socks instead of sticking the boot into our Bobby.
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He's an arsehole of the highest order. He still hangs around like a bad smell on match days, apparently as part of the City TV crew. He can usually be seen in his club provided training kit, carrying bags etc for the lass who does pitchside interviews near the away dug out and Tunnel Club seats.
Little man syndrome.
 
Lavinda Past said:
He's an arsehole of the highest order. He still hangs around like a bad smell on match days, apparently as part of the City TV crew. He can usually be seen in his club provided training kit, carrying bags etc for the lass who does pitchside interviews near the away dug out and Tunnel Club seats.
Little man syndrome.
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I’ve been mostly with you so far. Then you had to go and mention little man syndrome. Please retract or I may have to jump up and head you in the bollox...
 
sir baconface said:
Of course he’s not Mourinho. Thank fcuk for that. I use him as an example of how success and personal admiration don’t always correlate.

At a footballing level, it’s undeniable that both Pep and Bobby Manc have been absolutely great for City. Both men of their time. Both true managerial legends, along with Joe Mercer. Surely every Blue appreciates that. The divergence arises when talking about personalities, at which point it‘s quite normal to warm more to one than the other.

You may also find there’s a bit of a reaction to one or two BM “heavyweights” who’ve delighted in slagging Mancini off in the past.
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The thought of them seeing him win that trophy is rather amusing I must admit.
 
Rascal said:
That is where personal feelings come in, I will always idolise Big Mal, its like you always remember your first girlfriend. Probably to a number on here Mancini was their "first girlfriend"
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He wasn’t my first girlfriend but he was the first that didn’t look like Bella Emberg(one for the oldies)
 
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Rascal said:
His treatment of Boateng for instance was shocking, he left and had an OK career. Boateng asked to be able to go and be at the birth of his child. Mancini said no, we need you to play. Then Boateng sat on the bench all game. Imagine the outcry if David Silva had not been given time off to see his son and was made to sit on the bench instead. Milner who I have no time for at all, complained that Mancini caused him mental health issues. He locked all the players in the dressing room one time and told them they were nothing without Yaya. Maybe that is tough love and other managers have done the same in the past, but you could tell by that Wigan game the dressing room had turned on him.

His place in the clubs history is secure, i have not questioned that, all i said was I wasn't sorry to see him go, I don't hate him but I also don't idolise him, he is just another ex-City manager to me albeit one that brought us some success. Where would he be in the list of managers we have had that i have seen, behind Pep, Sir Joe, Big Mal, Skip and probs equal to Pellergrini and Royle and ahead of the rest.
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Pellegrini? Blimey.
 
Lavinda Past said:
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Exactly. Don't base opinions on hearsay, base them on your own experience of them.
Any manager in any field of work, is always going to be a c*nt in someone's opinion. I found it very easy to live with that, and I expect Mancini and Pep will do exactly the same, for as long as they need to.
As captain, it was part of Kompany's job to alleviate any issues in the dressing room. He didn't do that job particularly well, and let matters/cliques etc get worse, leaving it to the coaching staff to carry the burden. That's why Hart had so much power in the dressing room, and precisely why Pep pushed him out at the first opportunity.
Kompany by that time, was already 'well in' with the club hierarchy, who saw (perhaps still see) a possible future for him on the business side of things at the club, given his business management studies/qualifications. He was effectively 'untouchable' by the time Pellegrini arrived.
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I have heard from a lad who did experience it first hand. I have not related his experiences as they were personal.

I still stand by my original point, which was I was not sorry to see him go.

I am not trying to detract from what he achieved, I do not hate him, I am not trying to tell others they should not consider him a godlike figure, I am stating my own opinion.

Although I was initially against it, he thankfully in my opinion went at the right time, yes I am full of gratitude for what he achieved and he gave us some special moments, but I hold him in no greater affection than I do a number of other managers we have had. It is also a fair point that without him we may never have got Pep and he did well winning the Euro's with a limited Italy side, although I did think the standard of the tournament was poor.
 
Rascal said:
I have heard from a lad who did experience it first hand. I have not related his experiences as they were personal.

I still stand by my original point, which was I was not sorry to see him go.

I am not trying to detract from what he achieved, I do not hate him, I am not trying to tell others they should not consider him a godlike figure, I am stating my own opinion.

Although I was initially against it, he thankfully in my opinion went at the right time, yes I am full of gratitude for what he achieved and he gave us some special moments, but I hold him in no greater affection than I do a number of other managers we have had. It is also a fair point that without him we may never have got Pep and he did well winning the Euro's with a limited Italy side, although I did think the standard of the tournament was poor.
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All very fair points Rasc. It's all about opinions at the end of the day.
On your final point, I think we've found something we can most definitely agree on!
 
Rascal said:
You don't have to listen or read it. I only posted an article I read.

I have a different opinion to you that is all.

My opinion is I was not unhappy to see him leave. That is not a blight on his reputation or a slur on the people who hold him in Godlike status either.
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Saying you was not unhappy to see him leave is your opinion and as always you are welcome to that, I cannot say you are right it wrong on that.

To say he was toxic and was driving players out is factually incorrect and just hearsay.
 
Rascal said:
I have heard from a lad who did experience it first hand. I have not related his experiences as they were personal.

I still stand by my original point, which was I was not sorry to see him go.

I am not trying to detract from what he achieved, I do not hate him, I am not trying to tell others they should not consider him a godlike figure, I am stating my own opinion.

Although I was initially against it, he thankfully in my opinion went at the right time, yes I am full of gratitude for what he achieved and he gave us some special moments, but I hold him in no greater affection than I do a number of other managers we have had. It is also a fair point that without him we may never have got Pep and he did well winning the Euro's with a limited Italy side, although I did think the standard of the tournament was poor.
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The standard of the tournament is THE standard; you can't detract from the achievement of winning the fuckin' tournament!
It detracts from your otherwise cogent anti-Mancini stance to damn him with even fainter praise on the basis that, even though he was the the very best of the tournament, he wasn't really that good, because the others - including Ronaldo, KDB, multiple great Frenchmen - were crap. They weren't. There were several great matches.
That argument, with all due respect my friend, is just bollox. And Italy dumped Belgium ( No.1 team in the world), Spain and England, in the end!
You win the world cup, and the next best is the Euro's. Mancini won it from a terrible position - going behind to England's dream start of an early goal. And, without possibly his most influential player who snapped his achilles tendon in a previous game.
A lot of us with no agenda against him, and most neutrals I believe, will say, "Wow! That was a great achievement" irrespective of any historic shit, or rumours of his methods, at City.
 
the blue panther said:
The standard of the tournament is THE standard; you can't detract from the achievement of winning the fuckin' tournament!
It detracts from your otherwise cogent anti-Mancini stance to damn him with even fainter praise on the basis that, even though he was the the very best of the tournament, he wasn't really that good, because the others - including Ronaldo, KDB, multiple great Frenchmen - were crap. They weren't. There were several great matches.
That argument, with all due respect my friend, is just bollox. And Italy dumped Belgium ( No.1 team in the world), Spain and England, in the end!
You win the world cup, and the next best is the Euro's. Mancini won it from a terrible position - going behind to England's dream start of an early goal. And, without possibly his most influential player who snapped his achilles tendon in a previous game.
A lot of us with no agenda against him, and most neutrals I believe, will say, "Wow! That was a great achievement" irrespective of any historic shit, or rumours of his methods, at City.
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I didn't say it wasn't a great achievement and you are right the standard is the standard. The standard was that of a mid table championship team. It was a piss poor tournament, i said there were mitigating factors to that being the case, but it is still my opinion that the Italy side that won it were poor in comparison to the great Italy teams, which probably means Mancini did an even better job than most think. Does anybody really think Immobile for instance would get in a PL team. He is Bolton standard.

I also have no agenda against Mancini, I just happen to not have the same affection for him that others have, it does not mean though that i have no respect for his achievements, because I do.

It is strange though that it is fine to slag off the best manager we have ever had, but say you don't hold a former manager in the highest of respect is heresy.
 
Rascal said:
I didn't say it wasn't a great achievement and you are right the standard is the standard. The standard was that of a mid table championship team. It was a piss poor tournament, i said there were mitigating factors to that being the case, but it is still my opinion that the Italy side that won it were poor in comparison to the great Italy teams, which probably means Mancini did an even better job than most think. Does anybody really think Immobile for instance would get in a PL team. He is Bolton standard.

I also have no agenda against Mancini, I just happen to not have the same affection for him that others have, it does not mean though that i have no respect for his achievements, because I do.

It is strange though that it is fine to slag off the best manager we have ever had, but say you don't hold a former manager in the highest of respect is heresy.
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International football is no longer the pinnacle of the game it once was.

Watching the Euros and the Copa America, it's makes you realise how fortunate we are to watch City week in week out, we are far more superior in every way.
 
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