The Fat el Hombre
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mcfc78 said:
What's mental is people saying that Kinky was better than Robinho
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Robhino vs Kinkladze
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What's mental is people saying that Kinky was better than Robinho
The Fat el Hombre said:mcfc78 said:fickle fuckers on here.. why is everyone calling kinky now we have robbie,, benarbia now even being touted as being better.. to many mental people on this website..
What's mental is people saying that Kinky was better than Robinho
Yep.
Kinky was a naturally gifted and talented player, but to even put him in the same league as Robbie is ridiculous.
Kinky never sustained the talent he showed in glimpses.
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The Fat el Hombre said:Immaculate Pasta said:Why do you have to play for a big club to be classed as a good player?
Who said that?
People keep making out that if Kinky played with better players he would have been even better, but the only time he was with a decent squad he couldn't cut it. You can make excuses for him not making it as Ajax, but if he was as good as people are trying to make out he would have made it elsewhere at the top level. Not descended to the likes of Derby, Anorthosis Famagusta and Rubin Kazan
The way you said "if he was as good as evryone says he would have made it elsewhere, he didn't even come close" and "but if he was as good as people are trying to make out he would have made it elsewhere at the top level" says to me you don't think he was as good as everyone is saying because he didn't make it at a big club. Just because you haven't or don't play for a big club does not mean you are any less of a player otherwise that would be saying John O'Shea and Darren Fletcher were better players than Kinkladze because they were at a big club and won trophies.
The same argument would of been used against Ireland if he was sold to Sunderland at the start of the season. Those like me who have always said he was a great player would of been defending him once again like i am doing with Kinkladze because we might of not seen him reach the potential his ability deserved to. Great players look good in a shit team surrounded by shit players. Great players look different class surrounded by great players in a good team. Ireland has that and is showing us all his true ability. KInkladze never got to show us his true ability because he was surrounded by shit players and mediocre ones at Ajax.
Look at Elano, i beleive he would of had even more assists and goals last season if the players he was threading the balls to were on the same wavelength as him. Owen or Anelka would of had hatfuls last season if either were in our side because they are intelligent players who make great runs and find great posistions for themselves. When you have the likes of Benjani and Bianchi who are not on the same wavelength as Elano you don't get the best out of him. Excatly the same why we never got the best our of Kinkladze because no one in the side was on the same wavelength as him.
Maybe being involved in a side that suffered two relegations put sides off purchasing him? We will never know but he was a great player who's ability should of achieved him so much more than it did. Can you imagine any other top european sides purchasing a player from a team that had just been relegated to League One for £5m which was alot of money at that time? He was at the right club at the wrong time, Kinkladze in our side now would of been magnificent, more so than he was for us originally.
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If Kinkladze was Brazilian not Georgian we would have never seen him wear a City shirt and IMO he would have gone down as one of the greatest of all time. We managed to get him somehow when no one else had discovered him and it turned out to be his downfall.
Fat el Hombre, you mustnt have followed City in those days if you cant recognise how good he was, either that or are just a bad judge of football player.
Fat el Hombre, you mustnt have followed City in those days if you cant recognise how good he was, either that or are just a bad judge of football player.
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i cant believe you werent on the edge of your seat everytime he got the ball, the lad was a fuckin genius!!!The Fat el Hombre said:Immaculate Pasta said:Why do you have to play for a big club to be classed as a good player?
Who said that?
People keep making out that if Kinky played with better players he would have been even better, but the only time he was with a decent squad he couldn't cut it. You can make excuses for him not making it as Ajax, but if he was as good as people are trying to make out he would have made it elsewhere at the top level. Not descended to the likes of Derby, Anorthosis Famagusta and Rubin Kazan
True_Blue69
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Immaculate Pasta said:i cant believe you werent on the edge of your seat everytime he got the ball, the lad was a fuckin genius!!!The Fat el Hombre said:Who said that?
People keep making out that if Kinky played with better players he would have been even better, but the only time he was with a decent squad he couldn't cut it. You can make excuses for him not making it as Ajax, but if he was as good as people are trying to make out he would have made it elsewhere at the top level. Not descended to the likes of Derby, Anorthosis Famagusta and Rubin Kazan
Exactly, you only have to watch that youtube video to see how special he was. And before anyone says 'he didnt do it every week' and all that shit, I challenge you to find a collection of clips from any player over 2 or 3 seasons that will impress me more. They are only the clips people can get hold of aswell, some of the stuff he used to do was frightening.
droylsdenblue
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Colins Bellend said:droylsdenblue said:No doubting that on his day Kinky was excellent, but who remembers games like Port Vale away on a wet Tuesday night when the Blues got on his back because he never moved out of the centre circle?
He was very inconsistent but I must say that we were that bad the only highlight of some games was a little flick or a twisting run that he produced.
please dont tell me robbie dosent go missing both very similar when the goings good so are they
if its not they dissappear,difference with robbie is the goals
i agree
Lord Blue
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mcfc1996 said:I never agreed that Kinky was as good as the legend would make you think. Kinky isn't fit to lace Robinho's boots
fully agree with the first part. but i think he probably could lace his boots.
The Fat el Hombre
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True_Blue69 said:If Kinkladze was Brazilian not Georgian we would have never seen him wear a City shirt and IMO he would have gone down as one of the greatest of all time.
That's just ridiculous
Immaculate Pasta said:The way you said "if he was as good as evryone says he would have made it elsewhere, he didn't even come close" and "but if he was as good as people are trying to make out he would have made it elsewhere at the top level" says to me you don't think he was as good as everyone is saying because he didn't make it at a big club. Just because you haven't or don't play for a big club does not mean you are any less of a player otherwise that would be saying John O'Shea and Darren Fletcher were better players than Kinkladze because they were at a big club and won trophies.
What are you talking about at all? Top level means top level, it doesn't mean big club. Top level could have been another club like us, but he didn't even cut it at Derby
dollydimple said:Exactly, you only have to watch that youtube video to see how special he was.
Lol
Joycee Banercheck
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You aint wrong, son. Robinho would not be spotted, Kinky would run the game.The Fat el Hombre said:We've had this argument before
Robinho is on a whole different level to Kinky, only City fans would seriously compare the two. Do not let sentimentality cloud your judgement
I find the whole thing laughable to be honest
Kinky = God
Naturally the best footballer EVER. Robbie with the team we had then would be sulkin his fuckin socks off and get nowhere near Kinky's performance. Sentimentality's got nowt to do with it.
Having started this post a couple of things I have picked up:
If you did a search on You Tube Kinkladze clips vs Robhino you will find longer clips on Kinkladze than Robhinho. Surely a player from one of the biggest clubs Real Madrid you would find more clips?
Would Robhinho get your player of the year vote now if the season had ended with all his goals -no Stevie Ireland would of to me proves that he hasn't dominated games but he has produced a piece of sublime skill.
Fans are not idiots Dunne Player Of the Year for 4 seasons and Kinkladze twice in three years prove that consistency he was up there and not a bit player.
How many Fans remember thinking they only went to the game to watch Kinkladze I know many do.
Was the side we see now 10 times better than the side Kinkladze played in and still produced real class and skill.
I say most people on this site are blinkered, how many games has Robhino played for City yet all of a sudden he is better than one of the best players over the past 15 years. Appearances ??? vs Missing In Action.
If you did a search on You Tube Kinkladze clips vs Robhino you will find longer clips on Kinkladze than Robhinho. Surely a player from one of the biggest clubs Real Madrid you would find more clips?
Would Robhinho get your player of the year vote now if the season had ended with all his goals -no Stevie Ireland would of to me proves that he hasn't dominated games but he has produced a piece of sublime skill.
Fans are not idiots Dunne Player Of the Year for 4 seasons and Kinkladze twice in three years prove that consistency he was up there and not a bit player.
How many Fans remember thinking they only went to the game to watch Kinkladze I know many do.
Was the side we see now 10 times better than the side Kinkladze played in and still produced real class and skill.
I say most people on this site are blinkered, how many games has Robhino played for City yet all of a sudden he is better than one of the best players over the past 15 years. Appearances ??? vs Missing In Action.
mancityelano
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Oh dear,Sir. Kinkladze was absolutely efing mint BUT Robinho is better,he really is,he's the dogs nads
Braggster
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Robinho is by far the better player.
Skillwise, I would say that I have never seen a player who is better than Kinky. Some have been as good, though very few indeed - perhaps Le Tissier and Gascoigne from the nineties, and maybe Bergkamp in a different way. I'd say Robinho is probably his equal skill-wise as well, though he's a less flashy player.
But football is about more than just skill. For me Robinho makes far better use of his abilities, and plays the game more simply. He isn't always trying to beat his man or do some outrageous piece of skill, even though he could, because he recognises that the game is about making the right choices as well as showing the most ability.
As to workrate, neither of them were hard workers, which you wouldn't expect in their position. I don't really think there's a great difference there.
One last point: people are saying that Kinky had to play with some dross and his achievements are consequently more impressive. He did have to play with dross, in the first division. But that 95-96 side was nowhere near as bad, relative to the league at the time, as people are making out. Rosler, Quinn, Flitcroft, Lomas and Curle were all quite decent footballers (in Quinn and Curle's case at least, really quite good) for the league standard at the time. That team should never have got relegated.
It's just an opinion but for me there is no comparison: Robinho is a far better player. It's very sad that, for whatever reason, Kinky never became the world class player he should've been.
Skillwise, I would say that I have never seen a player who is better than Kinky. Some have been as good, though very few indeed - perhaps Le Tissier and Gascoigne from the nineties, and maybe Bergkamp in a different way. I'd say Robinho is probably his equal skill-wise as well, though he's a less flashy player.
But football is about more than just skill. For me Robinho makes far better use of his abilities, and plays the game more simply. He isn't always trying to beat his man or do some outrageous piece of skill, even though he could, because he recognises that the game is about making the right choices as well as showing the most ability.
As to workrate, neither of them were hard workers, which you wouldn't expect in their position. I don't really think there's a great difference there.
One last point: people are saying that Kinky had to play with some dross and his achievements are consequently more impressive. He did have to play with dross, in the first division. But that 95-96 side was nowhere near as bad, relative to the league at the time, as people are making out. Rosler, Quinn, Flitcroft, Lomas and Curle were all quite decent footballers (in Quinn and Curle's case at least, really quite good) for the league standard at the time. That team should never have got relegated.
It's just an opinion but for me there is no comparison: Robinho is a far better player. It's very sad that, for whatever reason, Kinky never became the world class player he should've been.
The Fat el Hombre
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Joycee Banercheck said:You aint wrong, son. Robinho would not be spotted, Kinky would run the game.The Fat el Hombre said:We've had this argument before
Robinho is on a whole different level to Kinky, only City fans would seriously compare the two. Do not let sentimentality cloud your judgement
I find the whole thing laughable to be honest
Kinky = God
Naturally the best footballer EVER. Robbie with the team we had then would be sulkin his fuckin socks off and get nowhere near Kinky's performance. Sentimentality's got nowt to do with it.
LOL
joedr116 said:Having started this post a couple of things I have picked up:
If you did a search on You Tube Kinkladze clips vs Robhino you will find longer clips on Kinkladze than Robhinho. Surely a player from one of the biggest clubs Real Madrid you would find more clips?
LOL. Well that's settled then, youtube has more videos of Kinky so he's obviously the better footballer