Rock Evolution – The History of Rock & Roll - 1985 - (page 203)

As for what's the most iconic rock guitar aesthetic, that's a great question. The SG is definitely in with a shout but I think it's one of those eye of the beholder things; I know people who think it's the Tele for the simplicity and minimalism etc. Personally I love the Casino and the Jazzmaster, also have a soft spot for the Thinline Tele's.
As a Gibson SG owner and a (Mexican) Fender Telecaster I'd have to say that whilst the SG is an iconic design, the Telecaster is a far better guitar and - like you say - the minimalism of it just marks it out. I never liked the Tele until I picked it up and then never put it down! The Stratocaster is too fancy for me, but the Tele just has everything right for me - design, tone, weight and balance. Finally, no matter what era you're in, no matter what music you play the Tele never looks out of place.

Strangely - and this will come up I daresay when we touch more on The Shadows and of course Jimi Hendrix - the Strat is 'the' guitar to have. I think when I was younger, I thought Hank Marvin was a useless guitarist and that thought has always tainted my view of that guitar and it's styling. As I've got older, and maybe wiser, I realise just what a great tone and ear he had - how joyous is Wonderful Land? I don't think he is a 'great' on the guitar but the guitarists I really admire - Dave Gilmour and Nile Rodgers in particular - play the Strat and their touch is incredible and I sometimes wonder if they could get that same touch and feel on another guitar. I suspect not.

Anyway, when I'm older I want a powder pink Gretsch 'jazz' guitar. The only problem is I can't play jazz! :)
 
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The Mar-Keys song Last Night was the first national release from a Memphis based regional record label called Satellite. Unfortunately, there was already a Californian record label with the same name, so the label owners Jim Stewart and Estelle Axton went down the easy route and just rechristened their company with the first two letters of each of their surnames and a legendary soul label was born. The Mar-Key’s young guitarist was called Steve Cropper and though the Mar-Keys name would become something of a footnote, he stuck around at Stax and the next year in our musical journey we’ll see him join forces with another great to form the nucleus of arguably the greatest ever house band.

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Little does he know it but this young man (Steve Cropper)
will go on to play on many of the great records of the 1960s
Great initial write-up threespires, top notch as usual!

Let me add a plug for the great Stax Museum of American Soul Music in the city of Memphis that I have visited more than a few times. It is one of the great music museums I've been to that shows the history of that record label, its artists, and lots of history on many including Mr. Cropper above.

My first selection is going to stick to Rock and Roll and focus on a new invention with respect to the electric keyboard called a Musitron that was played by keyboard player Max Crook on this track. Crook, an electronics enthusiast, built the Musitron out of parts from other instruments and household appliances. He was unable to patent the Musitron because most of its components were already patented. The Musitron was a pre-synth electronic keyboard that created one of rock's most memorable instrumental breaks.

This song topped the Billboard charts for 4 weeks after the artist appeared on Dick Clark's American Bandstand in April of 1961. David Letterman in 1987 when introducing this song to be performed on his Late Night show remarked that the artist sold as many as 80,000 singles of this song per day at its peak in popularity.

"Runaway" - Del Shannon
 
As a Gibson SG owner and a (Mexican) Fender Telecaster I'd have to say that whilst the SG is an iconic design, the Telecaster is a far better guitar and - like you say - the minimalism of it just marks it out. I never liked the Tele until I picked it up and then never put it down! The Stratocaster is too fancy for me, but the Tele just has everything right for me - design, tone, weight and balance. Finally, no matter what era you're in, no matter what music you play the Tele never looks out of place.

Strangely - and this will come up I daresay when we touch more on The Shadows and of course Jimi Hendrix - the Strat is 'the' guitar to have. I think when I was younger, I thought Hank Marvin was a useless guitarist and that thought has always tainted my view of that guitar and it's styling. As I've got older, and maybe wiser, I realise just what a great tone and ear he had - how joyous is Wonderful Land? I don't think he is a 'great' on the guitar but the guitarists I really admire - Dave Gilmour and Nile Rodgers in particular - play the Strat and their touch is incredible and I sometimes wonder if they could get that same touch and feel on another guitar. I suspect not.

Anyway, when I'm older I want a powder pink Gretsch 'jazz' guitar. The only problem is I can't play jazz! :)
agreed. I would swap my candy red Gibson SG standard for a blonde Telecaster in a heartbeat...I always associate the SG devil horn design with heavy metal/hard rock...young. Iommi etc...but I was delighted to see Stster Rosetta playing one which is more my thang...
 
As a Gibson SG owner and a (Mexican) Fender Telecaster I'd have to say that whilst the SG is an iconic design, the Telecaster is a far better guitar and - like you say - the minimalism of it just marks it out. I never liked the Tele until I picked it up and then never put it down! The Stratocaster is too fancy for me, but the Tele just has everything right for me - design, tone, weight and balance. Finally, no matter what era you're in, no matter what music you play the Tele never looks out of place.

Strangely - and this will come up I daresay when we touch more on The Shadows and of course Jimi Hendrix - the Strat is 'the' guitar to have. I think when I was younger, I thought Hank Marvin was a useless guitarist and that thought has always tainted my view of that guitar and it's styling. As I've got older, and maybe wiser, I realise just what a great tone and ear he had - how joyous is Wonderful Land? I don't think he is a 'great' on the guitar but the guitarists I really admire - Dave Gilmour and Nile Rodgers in particular - play the Strat and their touch is incredible and I sometimes wonder if they could get that same touch and feel on another guitar. I suspect not.

Anyway, when I'm older I want a powder pink Gretsch 'jazz' guitar. The only problem is I can't play jazz! :)
The thing about Hank was his innovation. Who else had ever played like his effort on Wonderful land? He had no British players to learn from, so in 1960 he was a mile ahead. So many players cite him as an influence. Jeff Beck used to have a section in his gigs that was a tribute to Hank.
If he wasn’t a great player, he was a great influencer.
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“The Wanderer” - Dion

I came across the other hit from Dion that year when "searching" for songs, but then I found the double standard irony of the topic discussed in both songs almost too much to resist. In fact, the more I thought about it, it's almost like both songs need to be heard back to back to get it. Just a thought, but I had never put these two songs together to make that association before given all of this was released well "before my time". Maybe this was all the vantage point back then, and it certainly wasn't gone by my formative years, but the song takes by a single artist in the exact same year were interesting on the different gender point of view.

Maybe it's just me, but since thinking about it, I can't shake it.

"Runaround Sue" - Dion
 
This thread is nostalgia on a stick. Mention of Helen Shapiro and her astonishing voice had me ‘Walking back to Happiness.’ Not sure whether Adam Faith has been mentioned. His 1959 hit, “What do you Want?” Was on everybody’s lips and Faith impersonators usually singing ‘Poor Me’ were ten a penny. I shall keep for another day the story of how he picked up my friend Andy from his house in a white Roller with ‘Adam’ emblazoned in gold on the side.
 
I came across the other hit from Dion that year when "searching" for songs, but then I found the double standard irony of the topic discussed in both songs almost too much to resist. In fact, the more I thought about it, it's almost like both songs need to be heard back to back to get it. Just a thought, but I had never put these two songs together to make that association before given all of this was released well "before my time". Maybe this was all the vantage point back then, and it certainly wasn't gone by my formative years, but the song takes by a single artist in the exact same year were interesting on the different gender point of view.

Maybe it's just me, but since thinking about it, I can't shake it.

"Runaround Sue" - Dion

Prompted by your post it occurred to me to Google to see whether life reflected art.

Dion DiMucci has been married to the same woman since 1963. She's called Susan :-)

They have three daughters and you'd like to think they didn't apply the double standards espoused in 1961 during their upbringing but then he is American Italian Catholic so who knows!

Where he has been something of a wanderer is musically and theologically. In the 80s he switched to making Christian music and did well for himself but then went back to secular music in the 90s. At the turn of the millennium he started making blues albums which seemingly are well regarded and viewed as by far the best output of his career.

In a lovely little piece of symmetry, this year at 85 years young he released an album called Girl Friends where every track is with a different female blues player such as Susan Tedeschi. It is not recorded which one he has tattooed on his chest :-)
 
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This thread is nostalgia on a stick. Mention of Helen Shapiro and her astonishing voice had me ‘Walking back to Happiness.’ Not sure whether Adam Faith has been mentioned. His 1959 hit, “What do you Want?” Was on everybody’s lips and Faith impersonators usually singing ‘Poor Me’ were ten a penny. I shall keep for another day the story of how he picked up my friend Andy from his house in a white Roller with ‘Adam’ emblazoned in gold on the side.

Adam Faith has had a mention but nothing on a playlist yet. As we're in '61 there's four singles to choose from. I was going to put Who Am I on the list for the trademark vocals but feel free to pick another if you want?

It's easy to forget with time how big these artists were and how enduring. I wasn't even born when 'What do you Want?' came out but I can do a terrible impression of that catch in his voice and sing the song, so somewhere along the line it was burnt into my consciousness.

We need to know your mate Andy's story!
 
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Adam Faith has had a mention but nothing on a playlist yet. As we're in '61 there's four singles to choose from. I was going to put Who Am I on the list for the trademark vocals but feel free to pick another if you want?

It's easy to forget with time how big these artists were and how enduring. I wasn't even born when 'What do you Want?' came out but I can do a terrible impression of that catch in his voice and sing the song, so somewhere along the line it was burnt into my consciousness.

We need to know your mate Andy's story!
I’m not sure any Faith track is really worthy of the play list. They were big at the time, but hardly classics. His best track was the later song “Message to Martha” about 1964, written by Bacharach and David. His last hit, I think, before he became a financial advisor who ruined half his clients. He himself was finally bankrupted by an ill fated attempt to launch a TV station.
Andy’s story belongs on a golf thread. (Just teasing!)
 
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One thing that has struck me in what we've heard so far is that for all he is posited as the first Rock n Roll superstar, how little of Elvis Presley's career was actually rock and roll.

After an early flourish, by the time we get to this year he's already well ensconced into his movie career and the kind of music that it yields is rarely rock - on Blue Hawaii I think you might at a stretch describe 2 of the 14 tracks as being rock n roll. His other album from this year "Something For Everybody" sort of sums up where he already was, one side has a decent amount of rock n roll and blues but the other is fairly syrupy ballads and the title of the album suggests artistic merit wasn't at the front of anyone's mind (though there are some decent songs on it). Either way, his studio albums would be well outsold by his movie soundtracks throughout the 60s.

I assume this was all deliberate strategy by Parker but I don't think I'd realised the degree to which it had musically in some ways led to a 'lost' decade in what was actually not that long a career.
 
One thing that has struck me in what we've heard so far is that for all he is posited as the first Rock n Roll superstar, how little of Elvis Presley's career was actually rock and roll.

After an early flourish, by the time we get to this year he's already well ensconced into his movie career and the kind of music that it yields is rarely rock - on Blue Hawaii I think you might at a stretch describe 2 of the 14 tracks as being rock n roll. His other album from this year "Something For Everybody" sort of sums up where he already was, one side has a decent amount of rock n roll and blues but the other is fairly syrupy ballads and the title of the album suggests artistic merit wasn't at the front of anyone's mind (though there are some decent songs on it). Either way, his studio albums would be well outsold by his movie soundtracks throughout the 60s.

I assume this was all deliberate strategy by Parker but I don't think I'd realised the degree to which it had musically in some ways led to a 'lost' decade in what was actually not that long a career.
true...the '68 comeback special was pretty much all R&R ...although with a few exceptions aside the rest of his career was poppy / gospelly ballads...and let's face it...cabaret.
 
true...the '68 comeback special was pretty much all R&R ...although with a few exceptions aside the rest of his career was poppy / gospelly ballads...and let's face it...cabaret.

Yes indeed, I don't know how historically accurate it is but I remember now that the recent Elvis film focuses on the '68 special and how having wrestled control of it from Parker it was a great success and an opportunity for a reset for Presley, but Parker needed money and so persuaded him into the residency cabaret stuff. Lad who played Elvis in it was very good.
 
Prompted by your post it occurred to me to Google to see whether life reflected art.

Dion DiMucci has been married to the same woman since 1963. She's called Susan :-)

They have three daughters and you'd like to think they didn't apply the double standards espoused in 1961 during their upbringing but then he is American Italian Catholic so who knows!

Where he has been something of a wanderer is musically and theologically. In the 80s he switched to making Christian music and did well for himself but then went back to secular music in the 90s. At the turn of the millennium he started making blues albums which seemingly are well regarded and viewed as by far the best output of his career.

In a lovely little piece of symmetry, this year at 85 years young he released an album called Girl Friends where every track is with a different female blues player such as Susan Tedeschi. It is not recorded which one he has tattooed on his chest :-)
Fascinating stuff, thanks for looking that up and I had not yet gone down that road. I simply found the ying and the yang of those two tracks in the same year by him almost too much to ignore. It made me wonder how society even considered or even discussed? it at the time or simply brushed it off as boys will be boys, etc.

It's nice Dion is still with us at 85 too. As Billy Joel reminded us in a related tune asking for it from Virginia that was more of my era growing up, "Only the Good Die Young".
 
One thing that has struck me in what we've heard so far is that for all he is posited as the first Rock n Roll superstar, how little of Elvis Presley's career was actually rock and roll.
Some of his best and most memorable songs aren't even originals from him. He was a great early Rock and Roll performer, and that's all I'll say about that. Contrast that with Dylan and Springsteen and many others who have hundreds of original material and songs. On the list of R&R royalty, Elvis is not high or even present on my list.

He's got 9 original songs per wiki and that's it. The only song I'd know by heart too is "All Shook Up". Was he a performer? Yes, no doubt. But as an original artist, he's low on the R&R royalty with me.


After an early flourish, by the time we get to this year he's already well ensconced into his movie career and the kind of music that it yields is rarely rock - on Blue Hawaii I think you might at a stretch describe 2 of the 14 tracks as being rock n roll. His other album from this year "Something For Everybody" sort of sums up where he already was, one side has a decent amount of rock n roll and blues but the other is fairly syrupy ballads and the title of the album suggests artistic merit wasn't at the front of anyone's mind (though there are some decent songs on it). Either way, his studio albums would be well outsold by his movie soundtracks throughout the 60s.
When you tour Graceland, you'll be amused and amazed at all the film posters that are there from this era. A left turn off the R&R map indeed. Memphis BBQ, Stax, and the National Civil Rights Museum to me were much more enjoyable visits than Graceland.
I assume this was all deliberate strategy by Parker but I don't think I'd realised the degree to which it had musically in some ways led to a 'lost' decade in what was actually not that long a career.
What did Neil Young say about burning out vs. fading away? ;-)
 
Politically 1961 was an interesting year. Kennedy is sworn in as president and the Cold War ramps up. In August the construction of the Berlin Wall would begin. Bay of Pigs leads to greater tension in Cuba and Castro aligns himself with the Soviet Union - more of that next year. More African nations move towards independence. South Africa withdraws from the Commonwealth and moves towards isolation. And Tony Benn was disqualified from holding his Bristol constituency because he was a Lord!

So far our playlist ignores all that - so looking for some politics we turn to Folk Music and Pete Seeger. He had been struggling to make a living since refusing to answer a subpoena to be questioned by the House UnAmerican Activities Committee. "I am not going to answer any questions as to my association, my philosophical or religious beliefs or my political beliefs, or how I voted in any election, or any of these private affairs. I think these are very improper questions for any American to be asked, especially under such compulsion as this." In May 1961 he was convicted of contempt of Congress and sentenced to 10 1 year terms in prison.

However, he kept producing records - often going back into history to make modern points about justice and liberty. He produced 5 albums in 1961 amongst which was Gazette Vol2 "A Collection of Topical songs, old and new without direction as to content or pressure" On that album was a song that spoke to the fears of the Cold War - written by British peace activist Sydney Carter - perhaps best known for the hymns Lord of the Dance and Once More Step Along the Way.

Here is Pete Seegers' chilling version of Crow on the Cradle
 
Politically 1961 was an interesting year. Kennedy is sworn in as president and the Cold War ramps up. In August the construction of the Berlin Wall would begin. Bay of Pigs leads to greater tension in Cuba and Castro aligns himself with the Soviet Union - more of that next year. More African nations move towards independence. South Africa withdraws from the Commonwealth and moves towards isolation. And Tony Benn was disqualified from holding his Bristol constituency because he was a Lord!

So far our playlist ignores all that - so looking for some politics we turn to Folk Music and Pete Seeger. He had been struggling to make a living since refusing to answer a subpoena to be questioned by the House UnAmerican Activities Committee. "I am not going to answer any questions as to my association, my philosophical or religious beliefs or my political beliefs, or how I voted in any election, or any of these private affairs. I think these are very improper questions for any American to be asked, especially under such compulsion as this." In May 1961 he was convicted of contempt of Congress and sentenced to 10 1 year terms in prison.

However, he kept producing records - often going back into history to make modern points about justice and liberty. He produced 5 albums in 1961 amongst which was Gazette Vol2 "A Collection of Topical songs, old and new without direction as to content or pressure" On that album was a song that spoke to the fears of the Cold War - written by British peace activist Sydney Carter - perhaps best known for the hymns Lord of the Dance and Once More Step Along the Way.

Here is Pete Seegers' chilling version of Crow on the Cradle
Well written intro, and I'll add a plug for Edward Norton who plays Pete Seeger in the upcoming "A Complete Unknown" film due in theatres on Christmas Day in the US. I saw a clip of "Seeger and Dylan" playing this week on The Late Show, and it looks good. Norton touched on a few of the political challenges that Seeger underwent from the McCarthyism era and how underrated he was in passing the torch.



(4 minutes in discusses Seeger's legacy, unfortunately this interview doesn't show the promo movie clip)
 
One thing that has struck me in what we've heard so far is that for all he is posited as the first Rock n Roll superstar, how little of Elvis Presley's career was actually rock and roll.

After an early flourish, by the time we get to this year he's already well ensconced into his movie career and the kind of music that it yields is rarely rock - on Blue Hawaii I think you might at a stretch describe 2 of the 14 tracks as being rock n roll. His other album from this year "Something For Everybody" sort of sums up where he already was, one side has a decent amount of rock n roll and blues but the other is fairly syrupy ballads and the title of the album suggests artistic merit wasn't at the front of anyone's mind (though there are some decent songs on it). Either way, his studio albums would be well outsold by his movie soundtracks throughout the 60s.

I assume this was all deliberate strategy by Parker but I don't think I'd realised the degree to which it had musically in some ways led to a 'lost' decade in what was actually not that long a career.
He was drafted in 1958 and spent 2 years doing military service. Music had changed a lot in that time and the material he recorded after he was discharged was much different to that before he was enlisted. It was all controlled by Parker and RCA records. They must have known what they were doing as he was just as successful after he left the army as before even though much of the material was very middle of the road and schmaltzy.
His Latest Flame from 1961 was a really good record though.
 
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Some of his best and most memorable songs aren't even originals from him. He was a great early Rock and Roll performer, and that's all I'll say about that. Contrast that with Dylan and Springsteen and many others who have hundreds of original material and songs. On the list of R&R royalty, Elvis is not high or even present on my list.

He's got 9 original songs per wiki and that's it. The only song I'd know by heart too is "All Shook Up". Was he a performer? Yes, no doubt. But as an original artist, he's low on the R&R royalty with me.
You have to remember back then it was common for artists to perform songs rather than write and sing them.

Once The Beatles get going around 64, the idea that bands should write and record their own material becomes the norm. It's one of the ways that they changed music. Of course, others did it too but I think they were the first to do a full album. Certainly the amount of songs they write meant they could do this anyway by the time it gets to Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt Pepper, Abbey Rd, White Album and Let It Be.

By the time Springsteen comes along it's expected and no band today would be taken seriously if they recorded songs written by other people.
 

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