Rodrygo

Belgian Flash said:
So can Doku.

Its really astounding how underrated Doku is. His ability to cause havoc is second to none. Rodrygo is a wonderful player but Doku is just a wrecking machine. He's been excellent in the world cup.
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When he starts being a wrecking machine for City I will acknowledge him. Up to now he has just been okay.
 
Alfa Lee said:
I must emphasize that we will not be signing Rodrygo. He wants to stay at Real Madrid, and Real Madrid have no reason to lower their price. If Manchester City want to get him, they would need to pay a transfer fee close to €100 million as well as a weekly wage of £300,000. That is unacceptable for us.
If everything could have been resolved through negotiations, then a month ago he would have gone to Arsenal, Chelsea, Bayern, Liverpool, or Tottenham.
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Thanks for the update Fabrizio
 
Belgian Flash said:
Grealish is better for Pep's system. His control, passing, IQ and more than anything the ability to push the ball closer to the dangerous areas makes him very effective regardles of what clueless G+A merchants say. I know hes a polarizing figure among City fans but I don't care, I say what I see. Same with Doku. You don't understand what kind of weapon you have in him. His ceiling is higher than Rodrygo. Rodrygo is a better finisher than Doku as of now, but hes not going to create nearly as many chances because hes not as athletic or great at close control when running with the ball. Savinho is the weakest of the bunch.

In the end it comes down to systems, roles and playing time. You swap Rodrygo and Doku between their respective teams for the previous season, both Madrid and City get better. Rodrygo had a very poor season for Madrid, but due to the tactical mess that Ancelotti accepted as a cost of keeping his stars happy, he was deployed everywhere - in the middle when Mbappe was out, on the left when Vini was out, but mostly on the right. He had a couple of weeks spell on the left in the middle of the season where he seemed to click with Mbappe, but he faded quickly, partly due to his own mental fragility and partly due to systemic tactical and personnel issues. He never had any consistency in terms of role or even presence/minutes on the pitch.

Rodrygo definitely reached his ceiling at Madrid, but I suspect he might find new motivation, better tactical guidance, more important role at City and all of this means it could work out. His forte is versatility. Although the left is his natural position since his younger days, Vinicius is better there, and Rodrygo doesn't get that much worse going from left to right due to his versatility and very automated and efficient style. But it its exactly because of this why Pep wants him I presume. He is coachable, has a good head generally and could benefit a lot from a more defined role and teammates who are also positionally sound.

Hard to say what Pep can do to make him better, but a more defined + important role and installed confidence could be a game changer. Hes a high IQ player, but ironically thats sometimes his biggest weakness - he is not daring enough, makes the most logical choice and doesn't try risks. For a player in his position this is needed a lot more. But I suspect he is aware of his physical shortcomings so thats why he made that his style. Hes more fluid than explosive.
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Interesting stuff

I for one promised never to speak on Grealish. I’m tired of the discourse around one player for 4 years. Savio and Doku are treated abit harshly. How I view them is that they’re v similar. Both direct wingers, best guys to beat their man. They both still raw and will only hit their peak years from now. My issue is that one is the worst finisher we’ve ever had at the club, the other has 2 assists to Haaland in 3 years. The most important thing rn is getting the best out of the guy who extended for 10 yrs. unfortunately he really only made a strong connection to KDB.
Either way, Savio is actually that has stronger connection to Haaland and it makes sense to keep him instead of Doku who is the best 1v1 player but him and Haaland do NOT work. I for one don’t want to see them start anymore. Our new system doesn’t cater to them at all. Savio is slightly more matured on the ball, he doesn’t dribble 24/7 his crossing is better. His first season in Spain had him outshining Vini and co at 19. He’s a rough diamond.


I think Pep gives great tactical guidance I’m not sure he’s the best to coaching wingers tho. Would leave that to Klopp and Arteta. I think he needs to be the main man that’s why I don’t understand why he’s not going to Arsenal. We have Marmoush. We can’t fit Haaland Cherki Foden and Him without dropping someone. I doubt we can give him that important role. He’s got a ton of qualities that Pep likes. Time will tell.

Thank you for answering my questions. Great to hear from your POV.
 
LongsightM13 said:
Neither of them are good enough for City on what they’ve showed so far
Both a huge downgrade on our previous wide players
We’ll see this season whether they have the brains and heart to improve, whether that’s here or elsewhere
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You literally just repeated what he said. Of course they were better. Those players were older. Mahrez was nowhere near any of those 2 at the same age. Even salah wasn’t. And there are no top wingers available in the higher age bracket so either city stops playing with wingers or accepts the fact that they have to wait for them to improve
 
King Jay said:
You literally just repeated what he said. Of course they were better. Those players were older. Mahrez was nowhere near any of those 2 at the same age. Even salah wasn’t. And there are no top wingers available in the higher age bracket so either city stops playing with wingers or accepts the fact that they have to wait for them to improve
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Pep isn’t too interested in tomorrows and cultivating underperforming talent, as he has two years to rebuild this team and win silverware. It’s a case of “What have you done for me lately?” and for many of the players leaving it’s “Not much!”
 
Alfa Lee said:
I must emphasize that we will not be signing Rodrygo. He wants to stay at Real Madrid, and Real Madrid have no reason to lower their price. If Manchester City want to get him, they would need to pay a transfer fee close to €100 million as well as a weekly wage of £300,000. That is unacceptable for us.
If everything could have been resolved through negotiations, then a month ago he would have gone to Arsenal, Chelsea, Bayern, Liverpool, or Tottenham.
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Correct
 
£80M for someone who seems a bit mard at times, plus players that have enterages we should steer well clear.

If Peps wants him then ok, if we are buying just because we need a winger, then I would hope he is one of a few options
 
bugsyblue said:
And I bet all you’ve seen of reijnders is our pre-season matches…
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Well to put it straight no I didn’t watch him at Ac Milan last year but I have seen bits and honestly I’d rather a player like him in the team than a moaner.
 
Belgian Flash said:
So can Doku.

Its really astounding how underrated Doku is. His ability to cause havoc is second to none. Rodrygo is a wonderful player but Doku is just a wrecking machine. He's been excellent in the world cup.
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Doku is great until the last thing he does… the final pass, cross or shot he pulls off is often woeful (although Haaland doesn’t help sometimes just stood completely still in the box or when attacks break he doesn’t make a run from outside the box). But Doku one of the best players in the world at getting past his man.
There’s a very good player in there if he can improve the last thing he does.

Savinho is already better than Doku at the final pass or cross. With 13 assists in all competitions last season, 10 in the PL, you can see that the quality is already there at 21. Where he lacks quality is his shooting (although his goal in the CWC was a beauty!).
There’s a potentially top class player there if he can improve his shooting.

Rodrygo has never managed 13 assists in all competitions in a season nor 10 assists in the league, in his career so far, and he’s three years older than Savinho. He’s more of a goalscorer but not exactly prolific for the price we’d be paying.
 
Alfa Lee said:
I must emphasize that we will not be signing Rodrygo. He wants to stay at Real Madrid, and Real Madrid have no reason to lower their price. If Manchester City want to get him, they would need to pay a transfer fee close to €100 million as well as a weekly wage of £300,000. That is unacceptable for us.
If everything could have been resolved through negotiations, then a month ago he would have gone to Arsenal, Chelsea, Bayern, Liverpool, or Tottenham.
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And Wirtz to Bayern is done too yeah?
Charlie Oscar Charlie Kilo.
 
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