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To thee belongs the rural reign;
Thy cities shall with commerce shine:



Is it a song that serves capitalism or does it make you proud to be British?


"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."

As a nation that has a rich history, it fascinates me how we portray ourselves and how we are portrayed by others. I love my country and I wonder if these songs are relevant and how much they play on our nations noggins today.

Is this wokery nonsense from me, or does it have legs.
 
Rascal said:
To thee belongs the rural reign;
Thy cities shall with commerce shine:



Is it a song that serves capitalism or does it make you proud to be British?


"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."

As a nation that has a rich history, it fascinates me how we portray ourselves and how we are portrayed by others. I love my country and I wonder if these songs are relevant and how much they play on our nations noggins today.

Is this wokery nonsense from me, or does it have legs.
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I think for most, they only think about these songs when the Daily Express start their annual campaign from stopping them being used at last night of the proms, even though they were never going to be.
 
As empire builders and conquorers at the time obviously the English/british folk music at the time had a leaning to songs about the army and navy, much like many Irish folk song are about rebellion and the Ra due to being repressed and subjugated by said british, or that american early folk songs arw about revolution.

Pre empire most English ballards are more akin to their Scottish and Irish bretheren and when I was young still heard and sang at school.

Recently the populists have managed to make waving a flag and singing songs of no relevence atm (you need a dominant navy to rules the waves) all about patriotism where back when these were writtwn they were sang by those actually in the army and navy, not bloated bigots in parliament or folk for one night in the albert hall.

Rule britanians a shite song anyway as is land of hope n glory, though I do like heart of oak and british grenadiers, as they are great tunes


At school in music class we were taught such as this










Non of them jingoistic guff but common English folk songs sung by peasants, serfs, and gentry alike
 
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Can only speak for myself, but as a Brit living abroad, I absolutely LOVE BOTH “Rule Britannia” and “Land of Hope and Glory.” However, my favorite will always be “Jerusalem.”

Trends come and go, and the period through which we are currently living may change centuries of feelings about such things, but I believe that being true to the time and place of the song is never wrong, no matter how times change.

If one cannot put such things into context, then that’s on the individual.
 
urban genie said:
As empire builders and conquorers at the time obviously the English/british folk music at the time had a leaning to songs about the army and navy, much like many Irish folk song are about rebellion and the Ra due to being repressed and subjugated by said british, or that american early folk songs arw about revolution.

Pre empire most English ballards are more akin to their Scottish and Irish bretheren and when I was young still heard and sang at school.

Recently the populists have managed to make waving a flag and singing songs of no relevence atm (you need a dominant navy to rules the waves) all about patriotism where back when these were writtwn they were sang by those actually in the army and navy, not bloated bigots in parliament or folk for one night in the albert hall.

Rule britanians a shite song anyway as is land of hope n glory, though I do like heart of oak and british grenadiers, as they are great tunes


At school in music class we were taught such as this










Non of them jingoistic guff but common English folk songs sung by peasants, serfs, and gentry alike
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This from 1760 or so:

Heart of Oak

Come cheer up, m’lads
Tis to glory we steer
To add something more
To this wonderful year
To honour we call you
As free men, not slaves
For who are so free
As the sons of the waves
Hearts of oak are our ships
Jolly tars are our men
We always are ready
Steady, boys, steady
We’ll fight and we’ll conquer
Again and again!

I remember having to sing this guff in the choir at school.

All these songs are a product of an age. They have zero place in the UK of today. We should have more appropriate songs:
Common People?
Buddy can you spare a dime?
Is this the world we created?
Beans for Breakfast?
 
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