Russian invasion of Ukraine

[gordondaviesmoustache]

One takes flight and the other one stop it .

They both take flight tbf.

 

[Keith Moncrieff]

Eventually both sides will have to sit down and come to some sort of agreement.
I can’t see either side ‘winning’.

Russia will struggle to occupy Ukraine and the Ukraine army will struggle to defeat Russia.

While all this is going on normal people from both sides are suffering.

 

[metalblue]

I guess Poland are seeing first hand the fallout from this war with the volume of evacuees and the pain in every one of their eyes and felt the need to do something more than is currently being done.

We are already providing lethal and defensive weapons, and yet, giving warplanes us a no no

I presume it’s the defensive aspect however if that means Ukraine can’t effectively retake or attack beyond the front line - eventually they will surely lose? Or at least negotiations will be hampered from a Ukrainian perspective. At best they can hope that the price Russia pays brings them to the table with a palatable offer.

Although if Ukraine can readily buy drones from Turkey that offensive/defensive line has already been crossed surely? Maybe it’s a pre-agreed contract they are fulfilling? Or maybe Ukraine needs to ask Poland if it can buy their migs? Or just give them to Turkey who seem to give less of a fuck about the ramblings of that loon Putin and can pass them on to Ukraine.

I don’t know the nuances of it all

 

[BlueAnorak]

What's the difference between war planes and say, anti aircraft missiles?

We've already given those and can give more. Hopefully much more.
Yes it's a bugger that we can only fight Russia with our hands tied behind our backs but escalating would not be a good idea.
The Rouble is worth nothing in the rest of the world as of today. It will impact life in Russia severely. Let that start to work.

 

[HolisticJim]

How is supplying an anti aircraft missile to Ukraine is ok but supplying a plane isn't?

Because one is offensive and the other is defensive

 

[mosssideblue]

We've already given those and can give more. Hopefully much more.
Yes it's a bugger that we can only fight Russia with our hands tied behind our backs but escalating would not be a good idea.
The Rouble is worth nothing in the rest of the world as of today. It will impact life in Russia severely. Let that start to work.

You missed my point bud. We are already supplying Ukraine with weapons that kill Russians, but providing planes ( which will also kill Russians) is seen as a step too far

 

[mosssideblue]

Because one is offensive and the other is defensive

Disagree with that, but that's fine

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

We've already given those and can give more. Hopefully much more.
Yes it's a bugger that we can only fight Russia with our hands tied behind our backs but escalating would not be a good idea.
The Rouble is worth nothing in the rest of the world as of today. It will impact life in Russia severely.

It’s a shitter not being able to help militarily when you see the destruction going on. The sanctions and tanking of the rouble will make thing’s difficult though, if this goes on for months and the Russian’s have lost planes and tanks they are expensive to replace when the war effort is costing them a billion pounds per day. Asking Syrians to go and fight for pennies is very much telling of them situation.

They have 150,000 soldiers trying to take a vast country with over 44 million people in it. Equipment keeps rolling in for Ukraine and also 60,000 people have entered the country to fight the invasion. We are potentially looking at Russia’s Vietnam, they’ve made an error invading when it’s muddy and then a cold snap on top of that, how many of them will fight when they have no food and it’s minus 20?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Disagree with that, but that's fine

You’re right, it’s a bit more nuanced than that, but there will have been endless war games played out and handing over fighter jets will be viewed as being much more likely to escalate matters.

It’s just maths.

 

[Elbow beards]

Good possibility China will be rethinking their Taiwan plans I would imagine too

This does put out a powerful message that if you invade illegally the world will come down on you like a ton of bricks. They've effectively ruined a country in 2 weeks,far more effective than boots on the ground.