They effectively lost that area in 2014, it was a no go area for most of the Ukraine.
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Russian invasion of Ukraine
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mosssideblue
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You are not the one measuring the gain being fought forNo just a fact that war is ultimately a colossal waste of life for little or no gain.
west didsblue
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He was equally certain the Russians wouldn’t invade at all right up until they did. On that basis don’t be surprised if Ukraine re-establishes sovereignty over the Donbas and Crimea by the end of it.That's not what has been said and repeated last night by Ukraine, so what are you basing your level of certainty on?
AS said before it's a war than no one can win, Russia will never be able to control the Ukraine if ultimately they win the war.You are not the one measuring the gain being fought for
Both sides are negotiating which says a lot.
I have a cousin in Avdiivka,been fighting there since 2015......NOT A FUCKIN CHANCE THEY WILL GIVE IT UP.......they will fight till the last man/woman.They will be more than happy to lose it, that area has always been pro Russian and as a result caused serious issues for the Ukraine.
lee_wsm
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Putin needs a form of victory for the home crowd if he can say they went in and have made the area ‘safe’ it’s not been for nothing. False flag attack against Belarus means their army goes In by then Russia have regrouped and stocks built back up and can say look we go to protect the area.For what purpose?
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So now there are only two genders? It's the Ukraine not the 18th century.I have a cousin in Avdiivka,been fighting there since 2015......NOT A FUCKIN CHANCE THEY WILL GIVE IT UP.......they will fight till the last man/woman.
west didsblue
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So now there are only two genders?
Grow up
Eh?...........ah,got ya.So now there are only two genders? It's the Ukraine not the 18th century.
mosssideblue
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Putin's got the problem of justifying to thousands of families why their husbands/sons etc are not ever coming home.Putin needs a form of victory for the home crowd if he can say they went in and have made the area ‘safe’ it’s not been for nothing. False flag attack against Belarus means their army goes In by then Russia have regrouped and stocks built back up and can say look we go to protect the area.
The longer this goes on, Putin's position weakens