Russian invasion of Ukraine

I bet Hong Kong are glad China got back control speaking Chinese and everything. Seems to be working well for them.
 
There has always been a significant majority - perhaps a supermajority - in the Donbas that historically would have wanted this. At some point subsequent to or around 2014 I believe the Donbas voted to join Russia (Putin didn't want it - probably thought this too provocative.)

Going forward, who knows? Russia probably not going to be the greatest place to be.

But neither Ukraine. Horrifically poor, corrupt, riddled with neo-Nazis and being used cynically by the West to bleed Russia. Also a place that outlawed the Russian language which a lot of people there spoke exclusively.

No good guys in this horror I think other than the innocent people fighting for their lives. I hope anyone wanting to get out of that sad part of the world will at least be welcomed and supported when and where they do.
Thank you Vladimir!
 
That would be "Putin's Russia' that is now certain to become a place of utter austerity and international pariah

It seems a less attractive option than it would have a few months ago
Especially as the Russian Russians seem mostly to be attacking cities where most of the people are Russian-speaking Ukrainians (whether or not sympathetic to Putin). If Putin wins I doubt they'd be getting cities rebuilt as quickly as they would with "western" aid.
 
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There has always been a significant majority - perhaps a supermajority - in the Donbas that historically would have wanted this. At some point subsequent to or around 2014 I believe the Donbas voted to join Russia (Putin didn't want it - probably thought this too provocative.)

Going forward, who knows? Russia probably not going to be the greatest place to be.

But neither Ukraine. Horrifically poor, corrupt, riddled with neo-Nazis and being used cynically by the West to bleed Russia. Also a place that outlawed the Russian language which a lot of people there spoke exclusively.

No good guys in this horror I think other than the innocent people fighting for their lives. I hope anyone wanting to get out of that sad part of the world will at least be welcomed and supported when and where they do.
Similar situations have arisen before. For example, Britain, full of bookmakers, cynically used the gambling fraternity of Monaco to bleed France dry; mafia ridden Italy brought South Wales to its knees with pistachio ice cream, Spain poisoned Britain by exporting patatas bravas. Complete pimenton riddled bastards. When will they ever learn?
 
There has always been a significant majority - perhaps a supermajority - in the Donbas that historically would have wanted this. At some point subsequent to or around 2014 I believe the Donbas voted to join Russia (Putin didn't want it - probably thought this too provocative.)

Going forward, who knows? Russia probably not going to be the greatest place to be.

But neither Ukraine. Horrifically poor, corrupt, riddled with neo-Nazis and being used cynically by the West to bleed Russia. Also a place that outlawed the Russian language which a lot of people there spoke exclusively.

No good guys in this horror I think other than the innocent people fighting for their lives. I hope anyone wanting to get out of that sad part of the world will at least be welcomed and supported when and where they do.
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There has always been a significant majority - perhaps a supermajority - in the Donbas that historically would have wanted this. At some point subsequent to or around 2014 I believe the Donbas voted to join Russia (Putin didn't want it - probably thought this too provocative.)

Going forward, who knows? Russia probably not going to be the greatest place to be.

But neither Ukraine. Horrifically poor, corrupt, riddled with neo-Nazis and being used cynically by the West to bleed Russia. Also a place that outlawed the Russian language which a lot of people there spoke exclusively.

No good guys in this horror I think other than the innocent people fighting for their lives. I hope anyone wanting to get out of that sad part of the world will at least be welcomed and supported when and where they do.
The separatist presence in Donbas wasn't invited, it wasn't called upon, there was never any legitimate right for Russia to enter and annex Crimea or now Donbas.

What you're saying and almost agreeing with (?) is equivalent to Scotland *maybe* wanting to leave the UK and join the EU, so the result is the EU sends the tanks over into Scotland.... It is the absolute right of the UK however to fight that invasion which is what Ukraine is doing. Why doesn't Russia withdraw and allow the democratic process to take place?

Any majority in these regions is of total irrelevance just as it is in Scotland and just as it is in Catalonia and other places. It's for Ukraine to resolve that conflict internally as a state and not Russia.

The only thing that is relevant is the Ukraine people voted in their current president, he wants them to join the EU, he wants them to join NATO. It's not the west's problem that this goes in the face of Russian foreign policy.
 
Yesterday’s summary of the situation

Russia brining in reserve forces from aboard to replenish losses but are likely to face even more challenges with being supplied

Russian forces mounted several unsuccessful attacks northwest of Kyiv

Ukrainian forces halted Russian advances north of Kherson and reported that Russian command “refused” to deploy elements of the 5th Combined Arms Army (CAA) to the Kyiv advance “due to heavy losses in the south.” Unclear if this is from intercepted radio transmissions or an interpretation but is very significant if the case.

Ukrainian forces repelled several Russian assaults on Rubizne, Severodonetsk, and Lysychansk on March 15-16The Ukrainian General Staff reported inflicting heavy casualties on Russian forces

Ukraine bolster defence of Kyiv with experienced general taking control of joint (military and volunteer) units.

In short Putin is getting his fucking short arse handed to him. He might even lose his “gains” in Georgia and elsewhere as they lose their forces being redeployed trying to prosecute this unjust war in Ukraine. The earlier post about something happen in Belarus is interesting. He and his cronies must all now be thinking I wish we just spent the rest of our days getting richer by raping Russia like we’ve done for the last 20 years.
 
I read that Medvedev is taking his turn to win the Russian Billy big bollocks award.
“Russia had the might to put all of our brash enemies in its place “
Source Sky News.
He can only be alluding to one thing.
 

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