Russian invasion of Ukraine

[SiMCFC]

Effectively concede to Putin’s demands and deny Ukraine its right to join NATO. When did we become so weak and cowardly.

Presumably they would be happy for us to do the same if our little Island was surrounded by the nutcase...

 

[Chippy_boy]

Would be the most shameful sell-out since we let the Nazis take Czechoslovakia in 1938.

But there is basically fuck all we can do about it with risking all out war, and the terrible consequences of how that could escalate, i.e. nuclear weapons.

The real dropped ball was the west not spelling out exactly and clearly to Putin just how bad the economic and political consequences would be for Russia and Putin, BEFORE he invaded. We needed to convince him that for him PERSONALLY, it would be a very bad idea. But instead we pussy-footed around with wishy-washy half threats, and he has taken the gamble that he can get away with it, and from where I'm sitting, he's probably right.

Will we stop importing Russian oil and gas, seize all their bank accounts, cut them off from the banking system and cease all trade with them? I doubt we have the political will to do it, given the economic consequences for the west.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

He knows no one will take him on

The UK certainly couldn’t

Oh, we could more than take him on, that's what bugs Putin. We are a middleweight boxer with four nuclear attack subs.

Mutually assured destruction is never a good look, though!

 

[domalino]

The only way we can leverage a climb down is to get the Russian people to go after Putin from the inside.

Most Russians will be appalled they are now bombing and invading their brothers and sisters.

Unless we now starve them out with sanctions, this won't stop.

Take them out of the Swift system, commandeer all their assets around the world, fuck off their gas.

Bleed them out, which unfortunately impacts ordinary Russians.

I don't think the ordinary Russian deserves any sympathy for the consequences of sanctions.

Ultimately any government or leader serves at the will of the people. Russians know that better than anyone, and if sanctions bring poverty and famine to Russia then it's people know how to stop it.

 

[urban genie]

Vids coming out now of ukrainian army surrendering without a fight, not risking russians open firing in civilian areas, I think bar a few pockets this will be a march into kyiv without much opposition.

Lots of footage of tanks rolling through empty streets with little resistance.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Europe, UK, the USA etc will do fuck all.

bit bored of hearing this by people sitting in comfort behind a keyboard

Putin and Russia deserve the abuse here.

 

[argyle]

Absolutely fucking horrendous scenes out of Ukraine. Hope that we open up and take the refugees in.

Also praying that Russia aren't fucking stupid enough to bomb the sarcophagus over Chernobyls reactor.

Not a chance.

On the day Putin starts his actual war the Daily Mail are running with their 'culture war' stuff.

Imagine what they'll be like when refugees are knocking at the door.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Russia has conscripts on the border that haven't even finished basic training.

 

[argyle]

bit bored of hearing this by people sitting in comfort behind a keyboard

Putin and Russia deserve the abuse here.

eh?

 

[urban genie]

No shit will hit the fan.

Europe, UK, the USA etc will do fuck all.

Another round of tough talk but piss weak sanctions to be expected.

I was on about if they started to accidently shell Poland, bar them attacking a NATO country there will be fuck all but sanctions dished out