Russian invasion of Ukraine

[roubaixtuesday]

seeing more of these reports coming through. Would make sense from a strategical point of view as it could possibly hold back sizeable Ukranian troops for a potential new Northern front which would have otherwise been allocated later on the East/South fronts.

Surely troops away from front line in occupied Ukraine = good for Ukraine.

I think it makes more sense to view this in terms of Russian warlords. A pool of ruthless criminals available to terrorise the Belarus opposition in case of uprising for Lukashenko, and protect Prigozhin from Putin.

But who knows WTF is really going on. The idea that it's a Russian strategic masterplan seems more than far fetched given their rank incompetence in every regard to date.

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

I'll have some of what you're smoking please.

You still think I’m smoking da reefa? Wagner troops setting up camp in a Belarus forest as we speak

 

[Paul1970]

Most us feel for Hungary. The situation they are in and what happen 67 years ago in 1956 was a criminal shame. I`m 70 and have read and seen old grey pictures on TV of the uprising.

The world stood by and did nothing or very little to assist Hungary in its time of need. Having said that the world was a vastly different place back then. Hungary was in the Yoke of Russian influence being part of the Soviet Bloc. The USSR were stronger and the threat of Nuclear War was palpable. America and it`s allies had just come out of The Korean War and Vietnam War, with The Cuban missile Crisis yet to hit.

The Ukraine and other ex soviet bloc countries have broken or attempted to break free some being more successful than others. Russia`s attack on the Ukraine was wrong and the outrageous behave of Russia needs to be stopped.

As I`ve always said the Berlin wall wasn`t built to keep the west out it was built to keep the population in.

Again were are sorry what happened to Hungary but to help more then could of put everyone existence at risk.

Very good post mate

 

[Gundoggin]

seeing more of these reports coming through. Would make sense from a strategical point of view as it could possibly hold back sizeable Ukranian troops for a potential new Northern front which would have otherwise been allocated later on the East/South fronts.

Haven’t the Belarusian soldiers fighting for Ukraine vowed to topple Putins sidekick who runs Belarus ?

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

Haven’t the Belarusian soldiers fighting for Ukraine vowed to topple Putins sidekick who runs Belarus ?

Yep, and the regular army vowed never to turn their guns on their own or Ukrainians, it’s very handy for Lukashenko having Wagner in the south of the country, the minute Russia’s invasion fails I’ve no doubt an uprising in Belarus is on the cards. What’s the chances Prigozhin is visiting prisons there before the end of the week?

 

[CTID1977]

What does it say?

all your plans need silence. if you read between the lines:
episod 2 is coming soon

 

[CTID1977]

 

[DenisLawBackHeel74]

Seeing as the puppet in Belarus is not fully onboard with Darth Putin.
What about the Wagner nutter exiled in Belarus, stirring the shit to change leadership. Leaving Belarus(now with Nukes)free to get onboard and Invade from the North with its own troops.
Just a thought. But with Russia anything crazy seems possible.

Nah, he’s a shithouse….only useful as somebody else's ‘wank mitt’. I reckon he was just looking for the next cock to suck….new paymaster

 

[CTID1977]

more positive news from the south. 2 more liberated places

 

[roubaixtuesday]

You still think I’m smoking da reefa? Wagner troops setting up camp in a Belarus forest as we speak

Yes, and I can't see any reason they'd commit to another invasion to follow the previous failed one, and surely having them away from the frontline is a good thing for Ukraine.

But I maybe need alternative stimulants.

 

[Paul1970]

Warsaw pact made it certain that rebellions would be crushed by USSR. Hungary was especially mistrusted as it had tried to swap sides in 1944.
Hungary’s history is no excuse for your failure to condemn aggression and firmly back Ukraine. There is no moral equivalence between the two sides in this war.
Note: On the subject of being able to make a free choice on policy, you should look more closely at Hungary‘s political history from 1930 onwards. To say they had no choice is plain wrong. Ukraine, invaded by both Germany and USSR, was a completely different matter.

But both countries did fight with Germany whether you like it or not . I accept Hungary did it but no one can accept Ukraine fought with Germany and if they did as did Hungary there is no shame in it as both countries had no choice .

 

[roubaixtuesday]

But both countries did fight with Germany whether you like it or not . I accept Hungary did it but no one can accept Ukraine fought with Germany and if they did as did Hungary there is no shame in it as both countries had no choice .

Nobody gives a fuck wat happened 80 years ago. Start a thread on WW2 if you care.

 

[Millo]

There is something about this whole Wagner situation which doesn't ring true to me. I still think it is some ploy by Putin.
I can see Wagner attacking Ukraine from the north to open up a new front to stretch Ukraine's forces, and the Russians and Belarusians claiming it is nothing to do with them, as Wagner are rebels acting on their own accord. Ergo, Russia open up another front of attack without Belarus being drawn directly into the war.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Surely troops away from front line in occupied Ukraine = good for Ukraine.

I think it makes more sense to view this in terms of Russian warlords. A pool of ruthless criminals available to terrorise the Belarus opposition in case of uprising for Lukashenko, and protect Prigozhin from Putin.

But who knows WTF is really going on. The idea that it's a Russian strategic masterplan seems more than far fetched given their rank incompetence in every regard to date.

Yes agreed, at the beginning of this invasion I was assuming with their irrational decision making that there was some russian military grand master deliberately playing 3D chess with Ukraine and Nato to deliberately mis direct their real aims, but it really is a case of hoping that the chaos theory will confuse the enemy into submission.

Not sure Lukashenko will trust Prigozhin/Wagner to have his back, Prig will probably end up being governor of the province of Belarus.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

There is something about this whole Wagner situation which doesn't ring true to me. I still think it is some ploy by Putin.
I can see Wagner attacking Ukraine from the north to open up a new front to stretch Ukraine's forces, and the Russians and Belarusians claiming it is nothing to do with them, as Wagner are rebels acting on their own accord. Ergo, Russia open up another front of attack without Belarus being drawn directly into the war.

You think Putin deliberately allowed himself to be humiliated, including bombing his own infrastructure, and shooting down his own aircraft, in order to move irregular troops to Belarus, which he could have done without being humiliated?

 

[Scottyboi]

You think Putin deliberately allowed himself to be humiliated, including bombing his own infrastructure, and shooting down his own aircraft, in order to move irregular troops to Belarus, which he could have done without being humiliated?

Putins grandmaster chess plays are on a other level got all of us playing to his tune.

Belarus border is heavily fortified. Ukraine aren't stupid they have been invaded from that direction already haha.

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

Yes, and I can't see any reason they'd commit to another invasion to follow the previous failed one, and surely having them away from the frontline is a good thing for Ukraine.

But I maybe need alternative stimulants.

I can….arrogance & money, Wagner always chase the money & glory, Prigozhin will want it and this is how he could possibly return to Russia a hero, he may not even wait for the Kremlin to give the green light, pure speculation on my part but it’s not unfounded or out of the realms of possibility. They’ve learnt lessons from the previous incursion and the weather is set a lot fairer, what else would a warmonger and thousands of troops do otherwise ?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Putins grandmaster chess plays are on a other level got all of us playing to his tune.

Belarus border is heavily fortified. Ukraine aren't stupid they have been invaded from that direction already haha.

Given the absolute clusterfuck of everything Russian in this invasion, it's frankly astonishing anyone ascribes Putin's strategic genius to this latest omnishambles.

But here we are.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

what else would a warmonger and thousands of troops do otherwise ?

1. Protect Prigozhin from Putin
2. Suppress Belarus opposition
3. Buy Progozhin influence in post - Putin chaos

etc.

I think everything in Russia makes more sense if you think of the key players as gangsters rather than ideologues.

 

[Blue warrior]

Hope the west just give Ukraine everything they’re asking for, long range missies and fighter jets. Just blitz these backward Russians and end the war.