Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Dage]

Yeah that's correct, but their law won't allow Swiss arms to be sold (given) to a country involved in a war because of their status. Only what I read a few days ago.

It's German weapons. It's a German run plant in Swiss, which is stupid I agree. But it's German technology and a German product produced by a German company. The Swiss are just defending their oligarch money.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

And Germany is supplying probably 20 times Ukranian refugees and families than the UK. most likely more.

This is a good point which is ignored by many, there is a huge and real financial cost associated with the housing and supporting of all these refugees and a risk of social disharmony if this carries on for much longer.

This is why in the race (if that's what we want to call it) for assistance to Ukraine, I suspect Poland is way out ahead of anyone in military, logistical and humanitarian support.

 

[Dage]

Probably Latvia should be proudest in terms of GDP contributions.

The problem with Germany is they have dragged their feet for far too long. Poland and the Baltic states were to provide soviet era heavy weapons such as tanks and artillery to Ukraine and Germany was going to back fill their stocks. A great example of this is Poland sent 240 T-72 tanks to Ukraine and was supposed to get Leopard tanks from Germany to compensate for the hole - this was supposed to come from Germany’s stocks…what they offered to send (eventually) was 20 broken tanks that would take a year to fix…by comparison Poland ordered 180 K2 tanks from South Korea in July this year (along with fighters and artillery) that were to be built from scratch…the first batch of these K2 tanks have been delivered - that’s 3 months.

Germany was further very slow to provide any heavy weapons to Ukraine. They have improved but still questions rightly remain and why they were slow is a bit of a mystery. The German public support arming Ukraine, the German politicians support arming Ukraine having passed motions to do so, and the defence minister has agreed all sorts of packages but the government continues to be criticised both domestically and by foreign powers. We know history often shapes German foreign policy however their citizens seem to have cast off the shadows of Hitler (rightly so) - maybe the political leaders were slow to recognise this.

Very uninformed..

Germany is the country who delivered probably the most heavy weapons with Panzerhaubitze 2000, Mars II, Gepard and ISIS-T. Also tons of anti tank rockets, ammoniation, winter clothes, rations and so on. Germany enabled Tschech Republic, Slovakia and others to supply their stuff to Ukraine which probably isn't part of the statistics as well as the German mobile infantry troops in Latvia.

Add the hundreds of thousands Ukranian refugees in Germany, mostly children and women.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

And Germany is supplying probably 20 times Ukranian refugees and families than the UK. most likely more.

And for those in the UK who have taken refugess there is almost no help or support and we are stuck with them because they can't get into the housing market. It's been a fucking shambles from the UK government.

 

[KS55]

And for those in the UK who have taken refugess there is almost no help or support and we are stuck with them because they can't get into the housing market. It's been a fucking shambles from the UK government.

Par for the course.

 

[CTID1977]

 

[west didsblue]

And for those in the UK who have taken refugess there is almost no help or support and we are stuck with them because they can't get into the housing market. It's been a fucking shambles from the UK government.

Makes it even more creditable that you took them on earlier this year because I suspect you realised there was a fair chance that there would be little help forthcoming from the twats in charge several months down the line.

 

[CTID1977]

 

[CTID1977]

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

A frightening weapon.