Russian invasion of Ukraine

[RadcliffeRick]

I would agree with the academic thought, but when you translate that to lives lost to defend the 800 mile border, I think Finland would like to enjoy the deterrent that is inherent in NATO membership.

As you rightly stated, the Finnish people stood up to be counted when it mattered and surprised many with their resolve.

Ask any ruSSian what is a Finka!

 

[TinFoilHat]

Johnson has come out to say Putin is talking bollocks.

Confirms he did it.

 

[grunge]

Johnson has come out to say Putin is talking bollocks.

Confirms he did it.

Even if he did tell Zelenskyy to fight why do people think that would have had any real sway past making Zelenskyy feel there was support for them to fight with.

Johnson wasn’t in the negotiating room to scupper any deals. From what the interview said there was no deal to scupper.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I love how in geo politics some people on this thread don't understand nuance and just call a **** a ****.

Johnson wanted a war to distract from his shagging/corruption in the UK. Whilst feeding his Churchill cosplay fantasy. Two sources, albeit dubious in some respects confirm this. But they are cunts and cannot be trusted and our world leaders can?

'kin hell.

Can you explain the nuance to one country invading a neighbouring country that gave up nuclear weapons to the other in exchange for assurances that they’d be left alone. Followed by countless war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Seems pretty binary to me, but I’m all ears.

The simple point that often gets overlooked by the equivocators, is that the people of Ukraine don’t want to be part of, or ruled by Russia.

Would you?

 

[TinFoilHat]

Can you explain the nuance to one country invading a neighbouring country that gave up nuclear weapons to the other in exchange for assurances that they’d be left alone. Followed by countless war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Seems pretty binary to me, but I’m all ears.

The simple point that often gets overlooked by the equivocators, is that the people of Ukraine don’t want to be part of, or ruled by Russia.

Would you?

Of course not.

We all agree Putin is a ****.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Of course not.

We all agree Putin is a ****.

As is Johnson!

 

[TinFoilHat]

As is Johnson!

I despair at where have all the adults gone?

Am I getting old or was there a period on time where even though some politicians were cunts the majority had an ounce of honour and respect about them and died on their sword if they had to for the benefit of all.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I despair at where have all the adults gone?

Am I getting old or was there a period on time where even though some politicians were cunts the majority had an ounce of honour and respect about them and died on their sword if they had to for the benefit of all.

You might be getting old, but standards in public life and at the top of public service have definitely dropped horrifically in the last 20-30 years.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I despair at where have all the adults gone?

Am I getting old or was there a period on time where even though some politicians were cunts the majority had an ounce of honour and respect about them and died on their sword if they had to for the benefit of all.

There was a time but once Johnson entered stage left, all previous was off.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

The thing that comes to my mind when reading over the last few pages is the phrase, "Go hard or go home".

Putin obviously failed with his 3 day SMO and has apparently recallibrated to going for control over his 4 new Russians oblasts to save face. Sadly I can see things going the same way as with Crimea and Donetsk/Luhansk, in that positions will be solidfied and defence lines reinforced. Then in 4-5 years time they will come back with another land grab.
As GDM rightly repeats, you simply cannot trust anything they say.

....And so it comes, I think, down to US/EU/UK to think whether they will just draw a line under the support given so far and it effectively have been "wasted" (As it has still resulted in almost 20% of UKR being occupied) or go they "go hard".

I really do think that those countries supporting Ukraine have to fully step up and realise that the only way that this will stop Putin's/Russias own Imperialist/expansionist ideas is to defeat them completely and kick them out of Ukraine. No more messing about with bits and pieces. Give them all those weapons that were going to be decommisioned, give them all the radar batteries required to close the skies, give them all that seized Russian money and also make sanctions bite harder. I also do think a total travel ban on all Russian citizens would have a huge impact.

Go hard or go home, stop messing the Ukrainians about.

There should be no half measures!