Sacking Mancini... was there even a choice?

[moomba]

Why are we persisting with the inners/outers arguments and slagging off?

I'm very happy with the Mancini years at the club, they were very good ones for all of us. Whether we would have continued to move forward if he stayed, who knows and who really cares?

The club have moved on, maybe some of us should as well.

Youre right but its easier said than done for those that were on the receiving end of the 'bully boys' insults and abuse.
I gave as good as i got on occasion,however,one or two definitely overstepped the mark with their venom,aggression and bile.

Ultimately though they only made fools of themselves and that does make me smile.

It's all just opinions. Sometimes you get them right, sometimes you get them wrong. Sometimes you'll never get the chance to know whether your way was the right way or not.

Insults and abuse in this debate weren't good but it certainly wasn't a one way street.

Just don't see the point in carrying on about it. We'll have a new man in charge soon, and maybe an opportunity to make the board a bit more tolerable without the sniping, points scoring and general arseholery (and that is now my favourite word of the day).

 

[NipHolmes]

Why are we persisting with the inners/outers arguments and slagging off?

I'm very happy with the Mancini years at the club, they were very good ones for all of us. Whether we would have continued to move forward if he stayed, who knows and who really cares?

The club have moved on, maybe some of us should as well.

Youre right but its easier said than done for those that were on the receiving end of the 'bully boys' insults and abuse.
I gave as good as i got on occasion,however,one or two definitely overstepped the mark with their venom,aggression and bile.

Ultimately though they only made fools of themselves and that does make me smile.

It's all just opinions. Sometimes you get them right, sometimes you get them wrong. Sometimes you'll never get the chance to know whether your way was the right way or not.

Insults and abuse in this debate weren't good but it certainly wasn't a one way street.

Just don't see the point in carrying on about it. We'll have a new man in charge soon, and maybe an opportunity to make the board a bit more tolerable without the sniping, points scoring and general arseholery (and that is now my favourite word of the day).

No.

It's more to do with the fact wankers have thrown abuse at my door and not apologised, not even admitted they were wrong.

Nothing to do with point-scoring. Just nice to see people admit they're wrong. Of course they go into hiding.

Anyway fuck it, it's done, Mancini is toast, rightfully.

The futures bright and summer is here. Positive times. Caaaaaaaa-vaaaaaaaaaa-niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Youre right but its easier said than done for those that were on the receiving end of the 'bully boys' insults and abuse.
I gave as good as i got on occasion,however,one or two definitely overstepped the mark with their venom,aggression and bile.

Ultimately though they only made fools of themselves and that does make me smile.

It's all just opinions. Sometimes you get them right, sometimes you get them wrong. Sometimes you'll never get the chance to know whether your way was the right way or not.

Insults and abuse in this debate weren't good but it certainly wasn't a one way street.

Just don't see the point in carrying on about it. We'll have a new man in charge soon, and maybe an opportunity to make the board a bit more tolerable without the sniping, points scoring and general arseholery (and that is now my favourite word of the day).

No.

It's more to do with the fact wankers have thrown abuse at my door and not apologised, not even admitted they were wrong.

Nothing to do with point-scoring. Just nice to see people admit they're wrong. Of course they go into hiding.

Anyway fuck it, it's done, Mancini is toast, rightfully.

The futures bright and summer is here. Positive times. Caaaaaaaa-vaaaaaaaaaa-niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Nip you gave just as much abuse than anyone else so dont come with that shit..
Oh and yes the future looks bright now.

 

[NipHolmes]

It's all just opinions. Sometimes you get them right, sometimes you get them wrong. Sometimes you'll never get the chance to know whether your way was the right way or not.

Insults and abuse in this debate weren't good but it certainly wasn't a one way street.

Just don't see the point in carrying on about it. We'll have a new man in charge soon, and maybe an opportunity to make the board a bit more tolerable without the sniping, points scoring and general arseholery (and that is now my favourite word of the day).

No.

It's more to do with the fact wankers have thrown abuse at my door and not apologised, not even admitted they were wrong.

Nothing to do with point-scoring. Just nice to see people admit they're wrong. Of course they go into hiding.

Anyway fuck it, it's done, Mancini is toast, rightfully.

The futures bright and summer is here. Positive times. Caaaaaaaa-vaaaaaaaaaa-niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Nip you gave just as much abuse than anyone else so dont come with that shit..
Oh and yes the future looks bright now.

Because it was like talking to a brick wall. I came out with sense (like others) and every time was asked for source or given a bullshit strawman argument.

Next time, save your breath (fingers in this case) and read.

Check my paper over cracks thread. Got called everything, was found right and got fuck all positive response except from people who were on my thought wave-length. Just like this one. Next time I wont bother because my effort isn't worth it on some here. Feel like a fucking teacher educating the oblivious sometimes. I'm not even being pedantic but seriously I cannot believe some are adults with the bullshit they came out with.

What would you win, an FA Cup or runner up in Europe? Jesus!

We ended up winning fuck all anyway. Some fucking good that bollocks was.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

No.

It's more to do with the fact wankers have thrown abuse at my door and not apologised, not even admitted they were wrong.

Nothing to do with point-scoring. Just nice to see people admit they're wrong. Of course they go into hiding.

Anyway fuck it, it's done, Mancini is toast, rightfully.

The futures bright and summer is here. Positive times. Caaaaaaaa-vaaaaaaaaaa-niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Nip you gave just as much abuse than anyone else so dont come with that shit..
Oh and yes the future looks bright now.

Because it was like talking to a brick wall. I came out with sense (like others) and every time was asked for source or given a bullshit strawman argument.

Next time, save your breath (fingers in this case) and read.

Check my paper over cracks thread. Got called everything, was found right and got fuck all positive response except from people who were on my thought wave-length. Just like this one. Next time I wont bother because my effort isn't worth it on some here. Feel like a fucking teacher educating the oblivious sometimes. I'm not even being pedantic but seriously I cannot believe some are adults with the bullshit they came out with.

What would you win, an FA Cup or runner up in Europe? Jesus!

We ended up winning fuck all anyway. Some fucking good that bollocks was.

You didnt do yourself any favours putting folk down tbh mate
I remember you saying at least a dozen times you know more about football than most of the forum because you watch 20 hours of it a week,you got pummelled on here for that and rightly so
I watch 30 hours of horse racing a week,do i put folk down on the racing thread and brag about it
Do i fuck

Move on you got your wish after three n half years,he's gone,well done give yourself a big pat on the back..

 

[NipHolmes]

Nip you gave just as much abuse than anyone else so dont come with that shit..
Oh and yes the future looks bright now.

Because it was like talking to a brick wall. I came out with sense (like others) and every time was asked for source or given a bullshit strawman argument.

Next time, save your breath (fingers in this case) and read.

Check my paper over cracks thread. Got called everything, was found right and got fuck all positive response except from people who were on my thought wave-length. Just like this one. Next time I wont bother because my effort isn't worth it on some here. Feel like a fucking teacher educating the oblivious sometimes. I'm not even being pedantic but seriously I cannot believe some are adults with the bullshit they came out with.

What would you win, an FA Cup or runner up in Europe? Jesus!

We ended up winning fuck all anyway. Some fucking good that bollocks was.

You didnt do yourself any favours putting folk down tbh mate
I remember you saying at least a dozen times you know more about football than most of the forum because you watch 20 hours of it a week,you got pummelled on here for that and rightly so
I watch 30 hours of horse racing a week,do i put folk down on the racing thread and brag about it
Do i fuck

Move on you got your wish after three n half years,he's gone,well done give yourself a big pat on the back..

No.

I said that because people said what do I know. That's how it started. I said I watched about 20+ hours of footie a week and therefore probably know more because I watch more. Nothing to brag about, just adds foundation to knowledge p.o.v. I am right in my statement too. Many people on where watch City and only City. I don't. It's that simple hence my argument is sound. I don't proclaim to be the most knowledgeable, just more than the majority.

I'm happy he's gone because now we can move forward. Manciniester is dead but Manchester is alive. Love live City, the proper City.

I don't need to pat myself on the back, knowing you're right and having confidence in your own opinion means you don't have to be told so. Knowing is enough.

You're a blue and so am I, Mancini was, he's gone but together we remain. Forza City. Now we have moved our separate ways maybe you can keep an eye on Mancini elsewhere, without the blinkers on you may see what some have all along, by that I mean not clouded by love but as a neutral ;)

City. Caaaaaa-vaaaaaaa-niiiiiiiiiiiiii

 

[samharris]

this whole episode has been very good for bluemoon, it has weeded out the ones who know sweet fuck all about what was happening at our club, they are called the inners.

it was amusing reading their posts, completely oblivious. bless em!

yet you now find yourself in the exact same place as the inners ..

City supporters waiting to welcome the new man..

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Because it was like talking to a brick wall. I came out with sense (like others) and every time was asked for source or given a bullshit strawman argument.

Next time, save your breath (fingers in this case) and read.

Check my paper over cracks thread. Got called everything, was found right and got fuck all positive response except from people who were on my thought wave-length. Just like this one. Next time I wont bother because my effort isn't worth it on some here. Feel like a fucking teacher educating the oblivious sometimes. I'm not even being pedantic but seriously I cannot believe some are adults with the bullshit they came out with.

What would you win, an FA Cup or runner up in Europe? Jesus!

We ended up winning fuck all anyway. Some fucking good that bollocks was.

You didnt do yourself any favours putting folk down tbh mate
I remember you saying at least a dozen times you know more about football than most of the forum because you watch 20 hours of it a week,you got pummelled on here for that and rightly so
I watch 30 hours of horse racing a week,do i put folk down on the racing thread and brag about it
Do i fuck

Move on you got your wish after three n half years,he's gone,well done give yourself a big pat on the back..

No.

I said that because people said what do I know. That's how it started. I said I watched about 20+ hours of footie a week and therefore probably know more because I watch more. Nothing to brag about, just adds foundation to knowledge p.o.v.

I'm happy he's gone because now we can move forward. Manciniester is dead but Manchester is alive. Love live City, the proper City.

I don't need to pat myself on the back, knowing you're right and having confidence in your own opinion means you don't have to be told so. Knowing is enough.

You're a blue and so am I, Mancini was, he's gone but together we remain. Forza City. Now we have moved our separate ways maybe you can keep an eye on Mancini elsewhere, without the blinkers on you may see what some have all along, by that I mean not clouded by love but as a neutral ;)

City. Caaaaaa-vaaaaaaa-niiiiiiiiiiiiii

Fair enough

I will get behind the next guy as much as i did bobby
And i will take an interest in whatever mancini does in the future as i wont forget what he did for our club,and would like him to do well
Anyway onwards and upwards.We have a title to win back now from them horrible bastards down the road

Falcaooooooooooooooooooooooooo :)

 

[taconinja]

Because it was like talking to a brick wall. I came out with sense (like others) and every time was asked for source or given a bullshit strawman argument.

Next time, save your breath (fingers in this case) and read.

Check my paper over cracks thread. Got called everything, was found right and got fuck all positive response except from people who were on my thought wave-length. Just like this one. Next time I wont bother because my effort isn't worth it on some here. Feel like a fucking teacher educating the oblivious sometimes. I'm not even being pedantic but seriously I cannot believe some are adults with the bullshit they came out with.

What would you win, an FA Cup or runner up in Europe? Jesus!

We ended up winning fuck all anyway. Some fucking good that bollocks was.

You didnt do yourself any favours putting folk down tbh mate
I remember you saying at least a dozen times you know more about football than most of the forum because you watch 20 hours of it a week,you got pummelled on here for that and rightly so
I watch 30 hours of horse racing a week,do i put folk down on the racing thread and brag about it
Do i fuck

Move on you got your wish after three n half years,he's gone,well done give yourself a big pat on the back..

No.

I said that because people said what do I know. That's how it started. I said I watched about 20+ hours of footie a week and therefore probably know more because I watch more. Nothing to brag about, just adds foundation to knowledge p.o.v. I am right in my statement too. Many people on where watch City and only City. I don't. It's that simple hence my argument is sound. I don't proclaim to be the most knowledgeable, just more than the majority.

I'm happy he's gone because now we can move forward. Manciniester is dead but Manchester is alive. Love live City, the proper City.

I don't need to pat myself on the back, knowing you're right and having confidence in your own opinion means you don't have to be told so. Knowing is enough.

You're a blue and so am I, Mancini was, he's gone but together we remain. Forza City. Now we have moved our separate ways maybe you can keep an eye on Mancini elsewhere, without the blinkers on you may see what some have all along, by that I mean not clouded by love but as a neutral ;)

City. Caaaaaa-vaaaaaaa-niiiiiiiiiiiiii

If knowing is enough why do you always feel compelled to keep coming back to rub people's noses in it? Is it really worth it to you? You pepper your posts with statements about moving forward and everyone being Blues... and then you seem compelled to tell people they're stupid in the next breath.

 

[Matty]

There will have been a myriad of different things going on behind the scenes at City of the past few seasons, all of which have culminated in the decision to sack Roberto Mancini. No-one on here will be privvy to the full picture, some will have no clue whatsoever and are basing opinion on gut instinct and media spin whereas others will have snippets of information from various sources but far from a definitive viewpoint.

What seems pretty inevitable from the volume of stories and rumours coming out of City over the past couple of months is that Mancini's position had become unteneable. A growing number of players had seen their relationships with him deteriorate to the point where they felt they could no longer continue to work under him. Add to that a breakdown in relationship with some of his backroom staff, and then probably even more importantly those above him in the hierarchy and it almost made the on pitch results irrelevant with regards to his continuation in the role. The fact that, coupled with the off field issues, the on field performances and results were less than expected as well, Mancini was never going to be able to ride out the storm.

Mancini's management technique is one which, it seems, brings results very quickly, and this was exactly what City were after 3.5 years ago. We hadn't "arrived" as yet as a legitimate top side, we'd never qualified for the Champion's League, and were still trophyless. Mancini brought us all of those things, and in pretty quick time. However a side effect of this was that Mancini's techniques and methods, whilst bringing instance success, also brought with them issues and baggage. His approach was 100% stick and 0% carrott. Short term that's ok, people can deal with it, long term it starts to wear on people and eventually more and more become disillusioned and resentful of the way Mancini behaves.

City have reached the stage now they have "arrived", it's now a case of achieving longevity. We need to still be at the top in 5, 10, 15 years time. That, alongside the restrictions FFP brings, means we need to approach the next few years, and the future in general, in a different manner to the last few years. We simply can't be spending tens of millions of pounds each an every season on established stars, we need to create our own stars via the expensive academy complex we're constructing. This brings with it a new set of aims, and a top-to-bottom approach, or a "holistic" one to use City's vernacular. Some managers can easily accomodate and fit in to this type of approach, others can't. Mancini is not one who this comes easy to, and is unlikely to be willing to change his ways, Mourinho is another who isn't likely to find such an approach a natural fit. This is just another reason why Mancini's days were numbered.

Ultimately I don't believe the on field results would have been enough to see Mancini sacked, had the off field situation been a more healthy one. If Mancini was buying into the ethos and plans, and was man managing his own relationships with the various groups behind the scenes in a better manner, I feel he'd have remained as the manager. He'd likely have been given a "it's got to improve next season" kick in the arse from either the Barcelona duo, or Khaldoun but ultimately he'd have still been City's manager.

Mancini is a winner, but he's JUST a winner. When he isn't winning, like this past season, he isn't bringing enough to the table to make up for that fact.