safe standing psychology.

[talkativesprout]

I stand, and i know match day mentality has changed from the days of Hillsborough. Let us not forget close to a 100 people died that day, and many hundreds were injured.

Safe standing could be implemented, and welcomed, but i would rather sit and put up with the atmosphere than a hundred fellow blues get wiped out

 

[southaustralianblue]

The hypocrisy for me lies in the fact that the club is encouraging the posnan, even to the extent of those embarrassing 'how to do the posnan' t-shirts', and are flouting their own safety rules. This is more about creating an entertainment experience comparable to going to the theatre rather than any safety issues.

Surely they could trial a limited standing area, with plenty of stewards in case of problems to see how it goes

Not without the law being changed. As for encouraging the Poznan, that is a goal celebration, nothing wrong with being on your feet during a goal celebration.

Well obviously there would need to be change, that's the point of the thread, but I think you are confused about exactly what laws apply to which aspect of the issue. The only Legislation that applies is section 11 of the football spectators act which states the following:
-‘The Secretary of State may, by order, direct the licensing authority to include in any licence to admit spectators to any specified premises a condition imposing requirements as respects the seating of spectators at designated football matches at the premises; and it shall be the
duty of the authority to comply with the direction

It then becomes an issue of the ground regulations, which are not codified in an act of parliament, and are provided by way of a model set of ground regulations, to which we adhere. These regulations make two seemingly contradictory demands on spectators: "‘Nobody may stand in any seating
area whilst play is in progress. Persistent standing in seated areas whilst play is in progress is strictly forbidden and may result in ejection from the ground"

So I stand by my point that the club, in promoting the poznan, actually offends the requirements of the regs. This is the hypocrisy, especially if as I hope, we have many more results like we did this week and we bang in a hatful. Why do they encourage one form of breach yet crack down hard on another? There would be no need to amend the Football Spectators Act, just the model regulations, which is within the purview of the League.

There is also the OHS aspect, which is only based on a current risk assessment and is not carved in stone. New preventative measures could be put in place to address percieved risks

At a practical level safe standing will never happen whilst the hillsborough families oppose it, not withstanding the accurate point others have made that this tragedy was more a result of pitch fencing and segregation arrangements

 

[pissedagain]

but would city not have to charge you less money as you dont have a seat

 

[SWP's back]

What's the difference between these.........

And these.......

(Other new stadiums, such as the new Galatasaray stadium, are going down the safe standing rout)

Apart from the seating law, which is a farse, it's the extra cost of installing these safe standing seats and the lost revenue afterwards.

Clubs might harp on about having their hands tied by the law, but I'm sure they've looked at the financial figures of installing safe standing seats in one or more stands/sections in their stadiums, and they don't like it. It will cost them too much money in the short and 'long term'.

Disagree:

Lets say for every seat, you have 1.5 standees.

You could reduce the price of the standing so that the added capacity makes no difference to the total income. Then add on more people there to buy food/beer (Granted, the catering would have to be improved, vastly), and standing could infact, generate more cash.

But you don't have 1.5 standees per normal seat. Safe standing takes up the same amount of room. Look at the pictures. It's one for one.<br /><br />-- Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:43 am --<br /><br />

but would city not have to charge you less money as you dont have a seat

Nope.

 

[Why Always Ste]

Safe standing could be implemented, and welcomed, but i would rather sit and put up with the atmosphere than a hundred fellow blues get wiped out

The point to Safe Standing is in the name.
100 blues are less likely to to "get wiped out" during an event with Safe Standing than the fans who were caged in like animals at hillsborough in 1989.
Stadium design and technology has vastly improved in the past 22 years

if clubs in Germany can function properly with it and also Galatasary in Turkey, then it just shows how far back the English League is interms of stadium design and technology.
The Bundesliga is years ahead interms of matchday experience created by Vorsprung durch Technik

 

[beehive_bob]

The whole debate against safe standing is riddled with a lack of logic:

- Rock concert fans are allowed to stand in football grounds
- Rugby fans are allowed to stand in football grounds
- Terracing is allowed in the lower two divisions, but not the top two
- Safe standing has been proven beyond any doubt to work in German football grounds
- Hillsborough was to do with fencing and shockingly bad crowd control by allowing people into already full pens; the Taylor Report stated that standing itself is not inherently unsafe

It's all to do with the powers-that-be and social control - a throwback to the bad old days of the 80's where all football fans are treated as potential hooligans. Remember the ID proposals. Also the money men prefer "families" who will sit quietly and applaud politely on cue, as it's better for the image of football they want to portray.

Have separate safe standing areas so that those who want to stand can do so - and there is clearly a big demand - and those who prefer to sit can do so in separate seated areas. Easy.