Safe Standing

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What happened last year when this was proposed to premier league clubs? Aston Villa and more recently West Ham are welcoming it back.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-introduce-safe-standing-Olympic-Stadium.html

Germany has it already. And they have great atmosphere. A season ticket at Bayern Munich is 97£. You can stand. And you can drink beer in the stand.
German football is becoming better every year. They have done every right.

I believe that it's time to do this in England.

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Seems to have gone quiet on this subject. If it is done properly then I don't see any reason why we can't have safe standing.
 
Can someone explain this issue to me cause I don't get it. I'm an american and I keep hearing about "sasfe standing". I don't get what's unsafe about standing and what the actual issue with people standing is. Do you guys build your stadiums different than we do?
 
Mr. Aguia said:
Can someone explain this issue to me cause I don't get it. I'm an american and I keep hearing about "sasfe standing". I don't get what's unsafe about standing and what the actual issue with people standing is. Do you guys build your stadiums different than we do?

The 1989 Hillsborough disaster was an incident that occurred during the FA Cup semi-final match between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest football clubs on 15 April 1989 at the Hillsborough Stadium in Sheffield, England. The crush resulted in the deaths of 96 people and injuries to 766 others. The incident remains the worst stadium-related disaster in British history and one of the world's worst football disasters.
 
davymcfc said:
Seems to have gone quiet on this subject. If it is done properly then I don't see any reason why we can't have safe standing.

The problem is, those defending all seaters just remain quiet. They don't engage in the debate. So X club will announce they are for it, fans discuss it on messageboards and on radio phone in's as a good thing, but the government, FLA, FA etc won't engage in the debate (as they know they don't have an arguement that stands up) so it all goes quiet until another club announces their support and it makes the news again for a day etc etc etc.
 
Why exactly is standing unsafe? You'd think it would take longer with seating getting everyone out in an emergency. I remember some bird having as asthma attack and it wasn't easy getting her across the seats.

Letting too many in and being caged was the problem.

Away fans stand, season ticket holders stand, something is wrong
 
I think the reason it's all gone quiet is that the government and the Premier League are both utterly against the idea and won't consider it in any form. There's only so far you can go when you're banned from even carrying out the experiments.
 
davymcfc said:
Seems to have gone quiet on this subject. If it is done properly then I don't see any reason why we can't have safe standing.

Even if it's done properly there will be a handful of ignorant MPs, never stood on the terraces in their lives, who will set their faces against it for whatever vested interest they might have. And as for standing being the obvious way to dirt cheap tickets, it'll be 'think again' time, I'm afraid. Can't see clubs relinquishing cash in this day and age of Platini's FFP!
 
Crouchinho said:
Why exactly is standing unsafe? You'd think it would take longer with seating getting everyone out in an emergency. I remember some bird having as asthma attack and it wasn't easy getting her across the seats.

Letting too many in and being caged was the problem.

Away fans stand, season ticket holders stand, something is wrong

It isn't unsafe and it took the FSF seven years to get the government / FLA to finally admit that. The term they use now is seating is safer than standing but again they have failed to back this up with any evidence.

The FSF went through all the statisitcs given from clubs over injuries treated inside grounds. The highest number of first aid incidents treated was scoldings from hot drinks - yet no one is calling for hot drinks to be banned!
The FLA stated that a good number of fans being treated were simply ''ill'' and had gone to the game for treatment in the ground as their local doctors surgury is not open on a Saturday / Sunday afternoon (honestly!)

None of the incidents reported were attributed to standing, but because more incidents took place (per person / ratio etc) in grounds that had standing, it could ''therefore be presumed'' that this was a contributing factor that seated grounds are safer.
Yet (again) once asked, the FLA admitted that incidents of injuries inside grounds that still had standing were not required to state which part of the ground the incident took place.
Lies, dam lies and statistics.

If anyone is interested in the full story of the campaign and the political bollocks involved, it's covered in this great book that was published last summer, written by West Ham fan by Peter Caton who organised the 'Stand Up Sit Down' campaign.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stand-Up-Sit-Down-Football/dp/1780881770/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1368619944&sr=1-1&keywords=peter+caton" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stand-Up-Sit-Do ... eter+caton</a>
 

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