Incredible she was found not guilty, especially given the current climate of literally nobody being able to say, well, anything, without it causing outrage.
I’m extremely surprised at this outcome.
Have Chelsea given any kind of club statement?
Enlighten me mate?Honestly feel that anyone surprised by the outcome of the trial hasn't been following it properly.
Enlighten me mate?
Sounds like a shitshow tbf mate, fair fucks, but that doesn’t excuse the comments imo.The whole thing was a mess and the explanation of her comments (which by her own admission were expressed clumsily) was accepted. She wasn't attacking white people and she wasn't harassing the police officer on account of his race. Therefore she wasn't found guilty of the charge of racially aggravated assault.
She was saying that she felt her experience and the way she was being treated was typical of how brown people have often been treated by white police officers (the Met have admitted they're institutionally racist so it's not a wild idea.) People can argue over whether she was correct to draw that conclusion and how much of a role alcohol played, but the motivation and intention of her comments were accepted and it's pretty easy to see why if you read the transcripts.
Should she have been blind drunk in the back of a taxi? No (Although if she was a premier league footballer she'd have probably just driven herself home in that state and all would have been forgiven). But everything that happened after she vomited out of the window of that cab was insane and inflamed the situation.
Personally I think it's entirely believable that they thought they were being abducted. And I think that is evidenced by the fact they called 999 from inside the cab whilst they were locked inside and being driven somewhere unfamiliar. The dispatcher said they'd call them back and hung up on them. Never in my life have a heard of a taxi a driver being asked to divert a passenger to a police station. It beggars belief. And also would not have happened if it was two blokes in the back of the car. If it were me, I would have gotten very paranoid about what was happening to me too.
When they got to the police station and told the police they had made a call for help they were told they were lying. That was incorrect and frustrated the situation even further. It was proven in court that they did in fact make that call.
Furthermore, she was arrested for smashing the back window of the cab even though her girlfriend had already admitted to it and confirmed she wasn't involved. This made her feel even more unheard and targeted.
Throw into the mix the officer using language like "little missy" and making light of her concerns about being raped and murdered and it's conceivable that she felt she was being treated badly. She filmed the whole exchange herself which a pretty strong indicator of what she was feeling at the time.
Do I think she behaved like a drunken dickhead that night? Yes. As do thousands of people every single weekend. Do I think I think the decisions taken by the police that night inflamed things? Absolutely. Was no need for it to ever end up in court.
Sounds like a shitshow tbf mate, fair fucks, but that doesn’t excuse the comments imo.
I’m not having her comments are ok due to her preformed view of how some white police have treated some non-white people.
That’s like saying I could say something untoward about Asians as there have been Asian grooming gangs and that’d be ok.
Her comment about “white” is racist. There’s no other way of looking at it.
For me, this will set a precedent that will cause a right load of mither for any further cases like this.
You know the answer....I’m trying to think what the outcome would be if I went out later, found someone of a different colour skin to me and said what she said, with that persons skin colour at the end of the sentence.
I’m trying to think what the outcome would be if I went out later, found someone of a different colour skin to me and said what she said, with that persons skin colour at the end of the sentence.
That’s why it’s hypotheticalKeep seeing people hypothesise about what would happen to them if it were the other way around, but nobody is really able to describe a situation where they might feel the need to say something like that.
That’s why it’s hypothetical
I’m not, but it’s there to be said. Don’t pretend it isn’t.Well don't worry about it then.
That's how I interpreted it.When you say something racist there's no excuse. I thought anyway.
I can understand she was saying "you are white hence priveleged" but that defence has set a precedent that will be exploited. Fkin idiots, just making it worse down the line, for all.
I’m not, but it’s there to be said. Don’t pretend it isn’t.
So you think that saying 'stupid and black' is now acceptable in some circumstances? What circumstances would that be?People are just saying "I'd get in trouble for calling someone stupid and black" and providing no further context on why and where they'd want to say it. So it's difficult to give an answer on what would happen to them.
The reason people feel like they would 100% be prosecuted for calling someone "stupid and black" is because it's impossible for them to conceive of a situation where it isn't obviously racist to say it. And that's probably because they're a white person and haven't grown up under an instutionally racist police force where black people are in charge. If you want to reverse the roles then you have to reverse everything that comes with it.
Think in previous posts I've already outlined at great length the circumstances of the incident. It's not me that gave the verdict by the way. It was a jury that listened to all of the evidence in court and came to that decision.So you think that saying 'stupid and black' is now acceptable in some circumstances? What circumstances would that be?
So you agree that what she said is racist? That's all everyone is saying. Don't say "stupid and black/white/brown/yellow/red" and call out anyone that does use such language regardless of whatever colour they themselves are.Think in previous posts I've already outlined at great length the circumstances of the incident. It's not me that gave the verdict by the way. It was a jury that listened to all of the evidence in court and came to that decision.
Also, I don't recall saying it's acceptable to use that kind of language. In fact Sam Kerr even said herself that she regrets saying it the way she said it. She wasn't in court for speaking unacceptably though. If there was such a thing as that then maybe she'd have been found guilty. I think the police officer involved also spoke unacceptably, which is more alarming to me given he's a police officer and should be trained to de-escalate these situations. The charge she was up for was racially aggravated harassment which is a way more serious offence and that's why she wasn't found guilty of it.
Give us an example of when saying that wouldn’t be racist?People are just saying "I'd get in trouble for calling someone stupid and black" and providing no further context on why and where they'd want to say it. So it's difficult to give an answer on what would happen to them.
The reason people feel like they would 100% be prosecuted for calling someone "stupid and black" is because it's impossible for them to conceive of a situation where it isn't obviously racist to say it. And that's probably because they're a white person and haven't grown up under an instutionally racist police force where black people are in charge. If you want to reverse the roles then you have to reverse everything that comes with it.
So you agree that what she said is racist? That's all everyone is saying. Don't say "stupid and black/white/brown/yellow/red" and call out anyone that does use such language regardless of whatever colour they themselves are.
Give us an example of when saying that wouldn’t be racist?
I’m not trying to be provocative just genuinely interested.