Savinho | City reject Spurs approach

Dribble said:
The speed of the back four isn't our issue, because in attack & transition, we don't have a back four whether rapid or slug-paced anyway. This is exactly my point mate! We end up with a back 2 or 3, with huge gaping holes in the defensive channels where FB's generally operate.

The opposition attack the areas we vacate trying to play with inverted FB's & a high line. If we had a traditional back four yesterday, with a No 6 in front & a retreating No 8 to help, Spuds' opener was far less likely to have happened.

Since last November, Chelsea & Newcastle are the only top 6 sides we managed to beat. Of those considered big clubs, you can add Spuds to that list.

What I saw against Wolves & Spuds was a rinse & repeat of last season, & considering the huge changes to our squad & backroom team, the one glaring thing that's remained the same is our failed inverted FB system.

Our issue is staring us in the face. We need to stop blaming a steady succession of players & begin to look at the common denominator in all of this... It's the system our squad are being asked to play.

The amount of similar breakaway, counter-attacking goals we concede is no coincidence. The very definition of madness is to keep doing the same failing thing over & over, & expecting a different result.
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Very true. Another problem evident yesterday was needlessly and cheaply giving the ball away that led to us being out of shape and unable to defend effectively.
 
Dribble said:
The speed of the back four isn't our issue, because in attack & transition, we don't have a back four whether rapid or slug-paced anyway. This is exactly my point mate! We end up with a back 2 or 3, with huge gaping holes in the defensive channels where FB's generally operate.

The opposition attack the areas we vacate trying to play with inverted FB's & a high line. If we had a traditional back four yesterday, with a No 6 in front & a retreating No 8 to help, Spuds' opener was far less likely to have happened.

Since last November, Chelsea & Newcastle are the only top 6 sides we managed to beat. Of those considered big clubs, you can add Spuds to that list.

What I saw against Wolves & Spuds was a rinse & repeat of last season, & considering the huge changes to our squad & backroom team, the one glaring thing that's remained the same is our failed inverted FB system.

Our issue is staring us in the face. We need to stop blaming a steady succession of players & begin to look at the common denominator in all of this... It's the system our squad are being asked to play.

The amount of similar breakaway, counter-attacking goals we concede is no coincidence. The very definition of madness is to keep doing the same failing thing over & over, & expecting a different result.
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Agree mate. We saw the same goal pure times last season. It’s a “how to score against city” goal.

We’d be much less susceptible to it “working” with rapid pace in the back line though.

If you trace the goal back even further. It should’ve been stopped at source by whoever it was (Marmoush off top of my head?) who should’ve prevented the initial pass out of the back from Spurs. Defend from the front.

The whole thing was wank.
 
Rodri’s ACL said:
A spurs itk who called this last night is saying it’s Ferran which makes sense to me. Pep wants Rodrygo so it’s likely not him. Viana wasn’t at the club for Palmer so that could help to rule him out.

Not sure how reliable he is overall but we’ll see
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It seems Pep being overruled is becoming a common theme recently.

Doku & Savinho on the left. Bobb & a quality player who actually wants to play there on the right.

Also, Marmoush is a central attacker. Not a left/right winger or No 9.

We need a cure for our square peg in round hole-itis...
 
Dribble said:
It seems Pep being overruled is becoming a common theme recently.

Doku & Savinho on the left. Bobb & a quality player who actually wants to play there on the right.

Also, Marmoush is a central attacker. Not a left/right winger or No 9.

We need a cure for our square peg in round hole-itis...
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Agree re Marmoush.

The kid looks lost on the left wing and considerably less comfortable than Grealish ever did.
 
Dribble said:
It seems Pep being overruled is becoming a common theme recently.

Doku & Savinho on the left. Bobb & a quality player who actually wants to play there on the right.

Also, Marmoush is a central attacker. Not a left/right winger or No 9.

We need a cure for our square peg in round hole-itis...
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Who,why,what,how,when,where ??????
 
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I’m of the opinion that if any player or indeed any employee wants to leave then let them but with an exit interview. Having an unhappy bad egg around others is very bad news. In the situation £70m is a very good price
 
Stoned Rose said:
Agree mate. We saw the same goal pure times last season. It’s a “how to score against city” goal.

We’d be much less susceptible to it “working” with rapid pace in the back line though.

If you trace the goal back even further. It should’ve been stopped at source by whoever it was (Marmoush off top of my head?) who should’ve prevented the initial pass out of the back from Spurs. Defend from the front.

The whole thing was wank.
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Pace would help, but being less tactically susceptible is the key thing. Having pace only allows us last ditched interventions. The temptation from the opposition would still be there to try it.

If we shut down those opportunities & position ourselves correctly, pace at the back becomes less of an issue as we'd have adequate numbers back & cover.

It's our tactical system that's blatantly our weakness mate...
 
richards30 said:
I still think the guy looks better with a bit of weight on
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He seems to have kept it off for a couple years now, so it is more likely to be a longer term lifestyle choice rather than a health concern that people suggested when it was first noticed.
 
Coatigan said:
He seems to have kept it off for a couple years now, so it is more likely to be a longer term lifestyle choice rather than a health concern that people suggested when it was first noticed.
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Thank god! He just had a frame that suits about more timber on though imo
 
richards30 said:
Thank god! He just had a frame that suits about more timber on though imo
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Think the truth is probably in the middle. I have thought similar at times, but it is a common thing said to people when they lose weight, that they look 'better' with a bit more on. Health wise though, probably much better off as he is, as a general.
 
Dribble said:
Mate, Pep publicly stated Walker didn't have the nous to play the inverted FB role. He's also said Nunes doesn't either.

When first asked to play this role, Stones said in an interview that he had to ask Rico how to do it.

When Pep first brought about this tactical change, it flummoxed our opposition. So much so, that after a couple of seasons, they all started to copy it. But in doing so, they also worked out how to get around it.

In your own words...

"it just doesn't work when you have teams who are happy to sit, wait and hit us on the transition at pace"

Mate, what dya think every team is doing to us game after game since last November? "It just doesn't work"...

We've been sussed out & it's beyond time that we get back to a basic 4-3-3 & rebuild our game & confidence from there.
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We haven't played the system since the CL final. We finished that season with 4 centre halves on the pitch with Stones stepping into midfield. We've tried every single variation of getting another defender into midfield apart from a centre half stepping in. That's why it doesn't work.

I agree about getting back to basics of 4-3-3 but we don't have the players to do it. The only way that system works is if you have players with pace and a directness on the wings. We have neither
 
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Quinny851 said:
We haven't played the system since the CL final. We finished that season with 4 centre halves on the pitch with Stones stepping into midfield. We've tried every single variation of getting another defender into midfield apart from a centre half stepping in. That's why it doesn't work.

I agree about getting back to basics of 4-3-3 but we don't have the players to do it. The only way that system works is if you have players with pace and a directness on the wings. We have neither
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Wing situation may work better if those with pace weren’t always inverted.
 
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