Seat Counters - 2023/24

Rammy Blue said:
Talk about round and round in circles, there is nothing wrong in principle with the the supporters clubs and them getting an allocation, that isn’t the argument. The issue is that they all received their full allocations and included in that number were a percentage of people who shouldn’t have been receiving a ticket ahead of a season ticket holder. It’s nothing more complex than that. There needs to be some way of finding a middle ground.
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I owe you an apology branch could if wanted got what asked for he agreed its totally wrong after all season having rules then just ignoring them for final
 
Rammy Blue said:
No, because they all want to travel and sit together. You’ve got to take a pragmatic view, the OSC exists and isn’t going anywhere, just got to get better level of transparency.
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10 of us season ticket holders always travel together and stand together without the need for an OSC. OSC’s are a back door for tickets for non-season ticket holders. Have your OSC’s but City need to stop allowing ticket allocation to the OSC’s.
 
Trying for a balanced view. My understanding on usual ticket distribution is 60% to points, 20% to OSC.
So 18,000 points, 6,000 OSC.
But on first day the count showed 13,576 to points.....
Is this where the real problem is??
 
peter.evans said:
Yes, I agree with some of what you say, but if they were season ticket holders anyway they would get a ticket under the current points system ( which is also a shambles but that is another subject in itself ) so there is no reason whatsoever for any supporters clubs to receive any tickets at all ? By receiving them at all it is leaving it open to what we have talked about !
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So the current points system is a shambles because it doesn't suit you.
Well I say it isn't a shambles because it suits me.
Which one of us is right ?Have you done home and away for the last 45 years to earn the points tally I have got.
Have you travelled all over the country and Europe on any day of the week or at anytime the TV companies dictate.
Have you organised coaches to take groups of supporters to most away matches for many seasons ?

The only thing wrong with the loyalty points scheme is the number of tickets that gets sold through it.
Historically we have seen the allocation reduced from 80 or 90 % of tickets being available to 60% and many times less being available to loyalty point holders.
My radical plan would be,
All away tickets should be sold through the points scheme less players and staff allocation.
10% of that allocation should go to juniors and 18/25 groups
10% to a ballot for anyone under 10000 points
The rest go through the points system.
As I have said many times, it won't happen, because that would upset to many groups who have their snout in the trough.
Whatever the outcome you are never going to please everyone, but let's stop having ago at the loyalty point holders who have earnt their place at the top of the pile and ask questions of the club, where are the other 40 %and sometimes more of the away tickets going and why ?
 
Chappie said:
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My radical plan would be,
All away tickets should be sold through the points scheme less players and staff allocation.
10% of that allocation should go to juniors and 18/25 groups
10% to a ballot for anyone under 10000 points
The rest go through the points system.
As I have said many times, it won't happen, because that would upset to many groups who have their snout in the trough.
Whatever the outcome you are never going to please everyone, but let's stop having ago at the loyalty point holders who have earnt their place at the top of the pile and ask questions of the club, where are the other 40 %and sometimes more of the away tickets going and why ?
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Totally agree.
And the fact you have to describe this as a radical method of ticket distribution is sad.
 
Chappie said:
So the current points system is a shambles because it doesn't suit you.
Well I say it isn't a shambles because it suits me.
Which one of us is right ?Have you done home and away for the last 45 years to earn the points tally I have got.
Have you travelled all over the country and Europe on any day of the week or at anytime the TV companies dictate.
Have you organised coaches to take groups of supporters to most away matches for many seasons ?

The only thing wrong with the loyalty points scheme is the number of tickets that gets sold through it.
Historically we have seen the allocation reduced from 80 or 90 % of tickets being available to 60% and many times less being available to loyalty point holders.
My radical plan would be,
All away tickets should be sold through the points scheme less players and staff allocation.
10% of that allocation should go to juniors and 18/25 groups
10% to a ballot for anyone under 10000 points
The rest go through the points system.
As I have said many times, it won't happen, because that would upset to many groups who have their snout in the trough.
Whatever the outcome you are never going to please everyone, but let's stop having ago at the loyalty point holders who have earnt their place at the top of the pile and ask questions of the club, where are the other 40 %and sometimes more of the away tickets going and why ?
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I have 25,000 loyalty points. Accumulating points for LOYAL away travel was right. But in doing that it also stopped other City fans from getting away tickets. I see the same faces at away games all the time. And the vast majority of the same faces are from OSC‘s. I’m a member of an OSC. There have been no complaints about City setting aside a percentage of away tickets for the youth. Which is good in my opinion.

The loyalty points system is now a shambles. It’s dead. Finished. Extra points for Platinum season tickets. Double points. £50 extra. Extra points for joining the cup schemes. Etc.

Earn 300 ticket points for joining all three Cup Schemes. Go Platinum and you can make it 600 ticket points. https://www.mancity.com/tickets/season-tickets-2425#:~:text=Earn 300 ticket points for,make it 600 ticket points.&text=Cup Scheme Members are at,and European Cup Final tickets.

I stand corrected in this. Tunnel Club and other hospitality venue season tickets come with a guaranteed away ticket that the person can sell on to 3rd party ticket touting websites. So, if you are wealthy enough and can afford a hospitality package you get a free away ticket because of that. Loyalty? Away travel?

City dispensed with away fan loyalty a long time ago. Now it’s home loyalty. It’s now all about money and increasing match day revenue at the Etihad.
 
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Chappie said:
So the current points system is a shambles because it doesn't suit you.
Well I say it isn't a shambles because it suits me.
Which one of us is right ?Have you done home and away for the last 45 years to earn the points tally I have got.
Have you travelled all over the country and Europe on any day of the week or at anytime the TV companies dictate.
Have you organised coaches to take groups of supporters to most away matches for many seasons ?

The only thing wrong with the loyalty points scheme is the number of tickets that gets sold through it.
Historically we have seen the allocation reduced from 80 or 90 % of tickets being available to 60% and many times less being available to loyalty point holders.
My radical plan would be,
All away tickets should be sold through the points scheme less players and staff allocation.
10% of that allocation should go to juniors and 18/25 groups
10% to a ballot for anyone under 10000 points
The rest go through the points system.
As I have said many times, it won't happen, because that would upset to many groups who have their snout in the trough.
Whatever the outcome you are never going to please everyone, but let's stop having ago at the loyalty point holders who have earnt their place at the top of the pile and ask questions of the club, where are the other 40 %and sometimes more of the away tickets going and why ?
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It does not have anything to do with suiting me. Congratulations on being a loyal supporter. For the record I've been watching City in person since April 1970. I got zero points under the new system for having a season ticket for many years when our club was sn utter shambles. I have said many times, the points system does not reward loyalty in many ways as it is an absolute fact that for a few years, just at the time I did not have an SC, which is my own fault, the club were dishing out thousands of points undeservedly for joining cup schemes, buying a certain type of SC, even ridiculous things like subscribing to an on line magazine or publication, that type of shit. Absolutely nothing to do with how many games you had attended over the last dozen years or, heaven forbid, previous decades.The system should be scrapped completely and an equal number of points awarded per game attended through official records. Look at the away games, the same people get the tickets every game.Why not have a ballot for SC holders who enter it with, say, half the tickets and give others a chance ? Then those who get selected for one game can't enter the ballot for the next away ? No, we have to suck it up and accept we'll never get one unless all those who hoovered up the points when they were dishing them out willy nilly decide they don't want to go.You do make some good points though but I would go further.
 
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jrb said:
I have 25,000 loyalty points. Accumulating points for LOYAL away travel was right. But in doing that it also stopped other City fans from getting away tickets. I see the same faces at away games all the time. And the vast majority of the same faces are from OSC‘s. I’m a member of an OSC. There have been no complaints about City setting aside a percentage of away tickets for the youth. Which is good in my opinion.

The loyalty points system is now a shambles. It’s dead. Finished. Extra points for Platinum season tickets. Double points. £50 extra. Extra points for joining the cup schemes. Etc.

Earn 300 ticket points for joining all three Cup Schemes. Go Platinum and you can make it 600 ticket points. https://www.mancity.com/tickets/season-tickets-2425#:~:text=Earn 300 ticket points for,make it 600 ticket points.&text=Cup Scheme Members are at,and European Cup Final tickets.

I stand corrected in this. Tunnel Club and other hospitality venue season tickets come with a guaranteed away ticket, that the person can sell on to 3rd party ticket touting websites. So, if you are wealthy enough, and can afford a hospitality package, you get a free away ticket because of that. Loyalty? Away travel?

City dispensed with away fan loyalty a long time ago. Now it’s home loyalty. It’s now all about money and increasing match day revenue at the Etihad.
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As you say the system was right and it would still have been right if for all the reasons you have stated hadn't had been applied in the first place.
It wasn't a closed shop initially, it became a closed shop because of the reduction of tickets ,allocated to the system because of the teams success.
As I have stated in other posts,you put the full allocation of away tickets(2800) onsale and it will go down to between 10 and 1200 loyalty points for most matches .
Set aside tickets for juniors, 18/25 and 10% for a ballot for people under 10000 points .
The above may not be the right way to go about it,but at least it's a starting point for discussion.
But until we can get the club on board,the only thing that will change, is that the loyalty point's system allocation will continue to get eroded and more and more away tickets will get into the hands of people who have to no allegiance to the club.
 
Chappie said:
As you say the system was right and it would still have been right if for all the reasons you have stated hadn't had been applied in the first place.
It wasn't a closed shop initially, it became a closed shop because of the reduction of tickets ,allocated to the system because of the teams success.
As I have stated in other posts,you put the full allocation of away tickets(2800) onsale and it will go down to between 10 and 1200 loyalty points for most matches .
Set aside tickets for juniors, 18/25 and 10% for a ballot for people under 10000 points .
The above may not be the right way to go about it,but at least it's a starting point for discussion.
But until we can get the club on board,the only thing that will change, is that the loyalty point's system allocation will continue to get eroded and more and more away tickets will get into the hands of people who have to no allegiance to the club.
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As you say, the more successful we’ve become, the more our fan base has grown, the more OSC’s have formed, and more wealthier people and companies have bought hospitality packages at the Etihad. All of that is eroding away ticket availability.
 
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