Seat Counters - 2024/25

Edghill OG said:
Exactly what I put straight away on here when that figure was first produced. 8 partners = 3600. Can easily see that guess being true. There were literally hundreds of these seats together last night. Are we meant to believe the ticket partners didn't sell any? Maybe when they gave that 550 figure to City Matters they were misleading with how they put it across.

Heads should roll for their ticketing practices and yet again it's the loyal City fan that has to deal with the nauseating 'Emptyhad' jibes. Good job we have developed thick skin by now as we seem to be priced out and treated shit by the club and then attempts at national humiliation from large parts of the country on top.

I really enjoyed last night. Felt more like a game from the past and more of our 'legacy fans' in attendance. Just a shame it wasn't a full house and off the back of the success we've had its fucking criminal.
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If agencies want 500 tickets then they should be made to pay for 500 tickets no returns to the club what they don't sell they lose. Maybe it would allow the club/agency to sell at a cheaper price??
 
The system is broken.
I managed to transfer my ticket, late on Monday, to someone who works with my son.
Had they not wanted it I get an email warning me about attendance.

The game was changed just over 2 weeks ago!!!!!
 
M18CTID said:
Are you for real? The supporting evidence is right there on this thread with the huge swathes of empty seats all together in certain blocks of the stadium. Jesus wept!
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Aren't those just empty seats that were unsold? How are you relating that to the use of resellers? I am receptive if you make an argument. I didn't look at the Villa plan this time but typically in advance of a match, the bulk of tickets on sale are at the top of WL3 and EL3 where there are very few seasoncard holders. You asserted that there was evidence of > 550 tickets being sold through ticket agencies in the crowd last night. What is that evidence?
 
Marvin. said:
Aren't those just empty seats that were unsold? How are you relating that to the use of resellers? I am receptive if you make an argument. I didn't look at the Villa plan this time but typically in advance of a match, the bulk of tickets on sale are at the top of WL3 and EL3 where there are very few seasoncard holders. You asserted that there was evidence of > 550 tickets being sold through ticket agencies in the crowd last night. What is that evidence?
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You clearly are a Bott and have been programmed to give set answers, time to switch you off.
 
Gray said:
Seats available on the planner (yesterdays in brackets):
  • Level 1 = 2,082 (1,998)
  • Level 2 = 971 (833)
  • Level 5 = 2,259 (2,413)
  • Total = 5,312 (5,2440
Blocks not release
  • 527 = 463 (as pointed out by Marvin)
  • 528 = 1,159
  • 529 = 1,112
  • 530 = 1,054
  • 531 = 482 (as pointed out by fathelensbellend)
  • Total = 4,270
Allocation is 36,190 less 9,514 so sales are 26,608 (26,676).

Sold minus 68 tickets since my last count yesterday.

Lots of blocks showing more tickets available than yesterday, frankly I do not trust what the official site is telling us.
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Is there a chance that there will be returns added from agencies for this one as well?
 
Tim of the Oak said:
There will have been several hundred returns from third party touts. There will have been thousands of unsold tickets that season card holders listed on the ticket exchange. That’s just the way it is atm and the sooner the touts go the better.

It’s understandable many of the season card holders couldn’t transfer their tickets to F&F for a rescheduled midweek game so soon after Easter.
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Sorry mate, this isn’t a pop at you. But I couldn’t help chuckling to myself at the thought that someone might decide to swerve a game because it was ‘so soon after Easter’
 
Chappie said:
You clearly are a Bott and have been programmed to give set answers, time to switch you off.
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This is danger if hoping the Forum comedy gold threads or whatever they are called. I think Marvin is WUMing the forum. Maybe Simon is too with the 550 touting claim for each ticketing agency.
 
Marvin. said:
Aren't those just empty seats that were unsold? How are you relating that to the use of resellers? I am receptive if you make an argument. I didn't look at the Villa plan this time but typically in advance of a match, the bulk of tickets on sale are at the top of WL3 and EL3 where there are very few seasoncard holders. You asserted that there was evidence of > 550 tickets being sold through ticket agencies in the crowd last night. What is that evidence?
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Do yourself a favour Marvin and stick to counting FA Cup semi-final seats
 
Tim of the Oak said:
Battering neutrals has certainly impacted on the touts ability to shift agency tickets.
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I would like a better understanding of what these deals actually incorporate. Obviously we will never get the whole truth and that information would be confidential. But clearly both parties must be benefitting from the arrangement.

Is it just a way of getting rid of tickets in bulk? Which is now clearly failing.

Or is it just a way around selling seats at a higher price? I.e do these dressed up touts split the higher ticket price 50/50 with the club for example.

uwe rosler 28 said:
If agencies want 500 tickets then they should be made to pay for 500 tickets no returns to the club what they don't sell they lose. Maybe it would allow the club/agency to sell at a cheaper price??
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Presumably there's some repercussions to these deals and there would be some penalties for the kind of scale of returns like last night. I'm sure the club wouldn't agree to these deals if they worked more in the agencies/touts favour. Last night looked really terrible and it reflects badly on the club.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
This is danger if hoping the Forum comedy gold threads or whatever they are called. I think Marvin is WUMing the forum. Maybe Simon is too with the 550 touting claim for each ticketing agency.
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Thanks Tim. And maybe you are too with your "mysterious" comment about last night's drop down banner in the South Stand so that makes all of us wummers ;)
 
Edghill OG said:
I would like a better understanding of what these deals actually incorporate. Obviously we will never get the whole truth and that information would be confidential. But clearly both parties must be benefitting from the arrangement.

Is it just a way of getting rid of tickets in bulk? Which is now clearly failing.

Or is it just a way around selling seats at a higher price? I.e do these dressed up touts split the higher ticket price 50/50 with the club for example.



Presumably there's some repercussions to these deals and there would be some penalties for the kind of scale of returns like last night. I'm sure the club wouldn't agree to these deal if they worked more in the agencies/touts favour. Last night looked really terrible and it reflects badly on the club.
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City must be getting more than fave value on sold tickets and the touts pay a fee for returned tickets. I don’t know that for a fact. Just what I think is most likely.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
This is danger if hoping the Forum comedy gold threads or whatever they are called. I think Marvin is WUMing the forum. Maybe Simon is too with the 550 touting claim for each ticketing agency.
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What is the evidence for large scale ticket reselling returns in the crowd? I want evidence that cannot be explained by seasoncard resales. Holes at the top of EL3 and WL3 are surely just the non seasoncard areas that are always the last tickets to sell in games?

I am not sure what it is that I am missing as you seem to think the eviddence is obvious
 
M18CTID said:
Thanks Tim. And maybe you are too with your "mysterious" comment about last night's drop down banner in the South Stand so that makes all of us wummers ;)
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Thanks mate. The banner makes sense to me now. I’ve always been slow on the uptake. It’s sort of what I thought. It was r kid who was more confused.

FWIW, Last night (second half) was another example of how our atmosphere raises a notch or two when some of the chants start from the North Stand. Top effort from the South Stand too.
 
Marvin. said:
What is the evidence for large scale ticket reselling returns in the crowd? I want evidence that cannot be explained by seasoncard resales. Holes at the top of EL3 and WL3 are surely just the non seasoncard areas that are always the last tickets to sell in games?

I am not sure what it is that I am missing as you seem to think the eviddence is obvious
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The notes of City Matters meeting read that 550 tickets go to touting agencies. This figure probably increased with the contract with Vianogo.

The blocks of unsold tickets are likely to be returns from the touting agencies. These tickets will be harder to shift for rescheduled midweek games, non super club opposition and since videos of the neutral getting battered went viral.
 
Marvin. said:
You still have not explained your argument.
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FFS Marvin - give it a rest will you. The Villa game was showing as sold out on City's website for months on end. No fucker could buy a ticket for it even if they wanted to. Then all of a sudden hundreds and hundreds of tickets all grouped together in several 3rd tier blocks appeared on the planner 2 or 3 weeks ago. Where do you think they came from? Bear in mind that these were clearly not season ticket holders putting them back on the exchange because as has been explained time and time again, these tickets were all together.

No-one's denying that in addition to that plenty of fans also listed their ticket on the exchange. What we're saying is that City are creating a false narrative that certain games are sold out when they're clearly not, and if those chunks of tickets all grouped together had been available for members to buy when the tickets first went on sale to members last summer then some or most of them would've shifted back then. But when they suddenly appear on the planner - and then were bizarrely taken back off the planner last week - just a few weeks before a twice rearranged match then very few fans are going to snap them up at that point, expecially at those prices.
 
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Tim of the Oak said:
City must be getting more than fave value on sold tickets and the touts pay a fee for returned tickets. I don’t know that for a fact. Just what I think is most likely.
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Yes, that's what I believe as well. It would make the most sense to me if it was a percentage of the final ticket cost. Club wouldn't be happy at only receiving £70 a ticket and then they go on their partner/tout's sites and they're selling them for a few hundred.
 
M18CTID said:
FFS Marvin - give it a rest will you. The Villa game was showing as sold out on City's website for months on end. No fucker could buy a ticket for it even if they wanted to. Then all of a sudden hundreds and hundreds of tickets all grouped together in several 3rd tier blocks appeared on the planner 2 or 3 weeks ago. Where do you think they came from? Bear in mind that these were clearly not season ticket holders putting them back on the exchange because as has been explained time and time again, these tickets were all together.

No-one's denying that in addition to that plenty of fans also listed their ticket on the exchange. What we're saying is that City are creating a false narrative that certain games are sold out when they're clearly not, and if those chunks of tickets all grouped together had been available for members to buy when the tickets first went on sale to members last summer then some or most of them would've shifted back then. But when they suddenly appear on the planner - and then were bizarrely taken back off the planner last week - just a few weeks before a twice rearranged match then very few fans are going to snap them up at that point, expecially at those prices.
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Just for the record. I dont think you've explained yourself in any great detail. Hahaha.
 
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