Self Isolating City fan attends game

Marvin said:
self-isolation only works when you know you've got it. Well it's too late then because you've already infected 1-2 people and the chain reaction goes on.

There should be pro-active mass testing. That's how Korea got on top of their epidemic.

Government strategy of containment is complete rubbish as it just amounts to waiting. That's how the Italian epidemic started because no one was aware it was circulating.

If it's only 163 people who have it then it's completely ridiculous to change your routines. However there's an unknown. What are the real numbers. There must be models out there but that's not the same as knowing.

They should be testing randomly across the country to see what the real underlying prevalence is. Perhaps they know this and the info isn't being shared?

Testing I believe really is key. That's the only way to assess risk which is the way you make a decision about stopping sports. At the moment it's just fear. Are we two weeks behind Italy, or is Italy one week behind Korea. I think Korea got ahead of the curve by being pro-active. Italy seem to be making lots of confused decisions such as closing schools and then inviting tourists into Milan. They need to find the people who have it and isolate them instead of just waiting for them to shout.
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Absolutely crackers, totally misleading info, I should be flying to Pisa this afternoon with family to celebrate my daughters 21st birthday. A number of the party are aged beween 60-87, mixed health issues, still according to PHE/FCO here and easyjet we can fly!!!

Yet, the CDC in the US says not but essential travel to Italy. Her Uni is shut, we can't get to the places we were originally going to visit, the number of those infected are going up and up, and I can't get a refund on the flights, get offered a voucher for alternative flights, only going to get my tax back, with the excess on my travel insurance get around £50 back, waste of time.

Typical of this lying and dispicable Government and profit making companies. I was in Venice end of Jan, coachloads of Chinese tourists everywhwere, many wearing masks, but guess what, still allowed to travel, this situation has been known for months and now were told to prepare, we have a four point plan!!!! My daughter has decided reluctantly to return to the UK later today, she is going to self-quarantine even though she has no symptoms at all. Utter shambles...
 
skivitheblue9320 said:
Absolutely crackers, totally misleading info, I should be flying to Pisa this afternoon with family to celebrate my daughters 21st birthday. A number of the party are aged beween 60-87, mixed health issues, still according to PHE/FCO here and easyjet we can fly!!!

Yet, the CDC in the US says not but essential travel to Italy. Her Uni is shut, we can't get to the places we were originally going to visit, the number of those infected are going up and up, and I can't get a refund on the flights, get offered a voucher for alternative flights, only going to get my tax back, with the excess on my travel insurance get around £50 back, waste of time.

Typical of this lying and dispicable Government and profit making companies. I was in Venice end of Jan, coachloads of Chinese tourists everywhwere, many wearing masks, but guess what, still allowed to travel, this situation has been known for months and now were told to prepare, we have a four point plan!!!! My daughter has decided reluctantly to return to the UK later today, she is going to self-quarantine even though she has no symptoms at all. Utter shambles...
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That's crazy. My company has told us that if anyone flies in personal time to a country where travel is restricted, China, Italy etc, and has to self isolate on return and potentially miss work, then we may face disciplinary action.
 
skivitheblue9320 said:
Absolutely crackers, totally misleading info, I should be flying to Pisa this afternoon with family to celebrate my daughters 21st birthday. A number of the party are aged beween 60-87, mixed health issues, still according to PHE/FCO here and easyjet we can fly!!!

Yet, the CDC in the US says not but essential travel to Italy. Her Uni is shut, we can't get to the places we were originally going to visit, the number of those infected are going up and up, and I can't get a refund on the flights, get offered a voucher for alternative flights, only going to get my tax back, with the excess on my travel insurance get around £50 back, waste of time.

Typical of this lying and dispicable Government and profit making companies. I was in Venice end of Jan, coachloads of Chinese tourists everywhwere, many wearing masks, but guess what, still allowed to travel, this situation has been known for months and now were told to prepare, we have a four point plan!!!! My daughter has decided reluctantly to return to the UK later today, she is going to self-quarantine even though she has no symptoms at all. Utter shambles...
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China and South Korea have it under control now.

South Korea has tested about 150,000 people. They proactively search for the infection testing anyone at risk and hence can isolate people before they infect people.

The Chinese sequenced the virus on Jan 5th and it was subsequently relayed to the rest of the world so that they can develop testing kits.

The public strategy of isolation seems fine to me but it's missing the testing. Seems to me people are instructed to ring 111 when they get symptoms which means they have time to spread it first when there should be a lot more pro-active testing to get to the chain earlier. Perhaps there is or was a shortage of test kits.

Mixed news then: China and Korea over the worst. Focus now on Italy and Iran.
 
I'm laid up in Thailand, struggling with these poor conditions (beaches, pools and beers) because I cannee return to Guangdong, China. Hard life. Still, it does seem a tad serious now. Or a hoax...
 
bluetonium said:
That's crazy. My company has told us that if anyone flies in personal time to a country where travel is restricted, China, Italy etc, and has to self isolate on return and potentially miss work, then we may face disciplinary action.
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I'd like to see that one stick in a tribunal because if my work place tried that I'd take them to the cleaners, what about if you had holiday to Italy already booked? Are they going to compensate?
 
Marvin said:
self-isolation only works when you know you've got it. Well it's too late then because you've already infected 1-2 people and the chain reaction goes on.

There should be pro-active mass testing. That's how Korea got on top of their epidemic.

Government strategy of containment is complete rubbish as it just amounts to waiting. That's how the Italian epidemic started because no one was aware it was circulating.

If it's only 163 people who have it then it's completely ridiculous to change your routines. However there's an unknown. What are the real numbers. There must be models out there but that's not the same as knowing.

They should be testing randomly across the country to see what the real underlying prevalence is. Perhaps they know this and the info isn't being shared?

Testing I believe really is key. That's the only way to assess risk which is the way you make a decision about stopping sports. At the moment it's just fear. Are we two weeks behind Italy, or is Italy one week behind Korea. I think Korea got ahead of the curve by being pro-active. Italy seem to be making lots of confused decisions such as closing schools and then inviting tourists into Milan. They need to find the people who have it and isolate them instead of just waiting for them to shout.
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Changing routinues to be more careful is what everyone should be doing,you can have no symptoms and be spreading it,it is very naive to think there is only 163 people who have it
 
Marvin said:
self-isolation only works when you know you've got it. Well it's too late then because you've already infected 1-2 people and the chain reaction goes on.

There should be pro-active mass testing. That's how Korea got on top of their epidemic.

Government strategy of containment is complete rubbish as it just amounts to waiting. That's how the Italian epidemic started because no one was aware it was circulating.

If it's only 163 people who have it then it's completely ridiculous to change your routines. However there's an unknown. What are the real numbers. There must be models out there but that's not the same as knowing.

They should be testing randomly across the country to see what the real underlying prevalence is. Perhaps they know this and the info isn't being shared?

Testing I believe really is key. That's the only way to assess risk which is the way you make a decision about stopping sports. At the moment it's just fear. Are we two weeks behind Italy, or is Italy one week behind Korea. I think Korea got ahead of the curve by being pro-active. Italy seem to be making lots of confused decisions such as closing schools and then inviting tourists into Milan. They need to find the people who have it and isolate them instead of just waiting for them to shout.
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Marvin if there are models out there can l please have one to join me in self isolation for three months. It would be nice if she could wear a nurse's uniform.
 
Marvin said:
self-isolation only works when you know you've got it. Well it's too late then because you've already infected 1-2 people and the chain reaction goes on.

There should be pro-active mass testing. That's how Korea got on top of their epidemic.

Government strategy of containment is complete rubbish as it just amounts to waiting. That's how the Italian epidemic started because no one was aware it was circulating.

If it's only 163 people who have it then it's completely ridiculous to change your routines. However there's an unknown. What are the real numbers. There must be models out there but that's not the same as knowing.

They should be testing randomly across the country to see what the real underlying prevalence is. Perhaps they know this and the info isn't being shared?

Testing I believe really is key. That's the only way to assess risk which is the way you make a decision about stopping sports. At the moment it's just fear. Are we two weeks behind Italy, or is Italy one week behind Korea. I think Korea got ahead of the curve by being pro-active. Italy seem to be making lots of confused decisions such as closing schools and then inviting tourists into Milan. They need to find the people who have it and isolate them instead of just waiting for them to shout.
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Excellent post!

The mighty USA has 2,000 TESTS for 330,000,000 population. President says nothing to worry about, while the VP he put in place to deal with this says we are doing the best we can and will have more ASAP, but...

My mate was flying a flight recently and got a call from the Company. Apparently, one of the passengers tested positive later on, so he was advised to self quarantine for 14 days....without pay, unless he used his sick list, even though he said he didn’t feel sick! Why self isolate? NO TESTS!

USA CUT CDC FUNDING, and Trump even disbanded the group that would (should) be dealing with this. Fucking joke!
 
Marvin said:
China and South Korea have it under control now.

South Korea has tested about 150,000 people. They proactively search for the infection testing anyone at risk and hence can isolate people before they infect people.

The Chinese sequenced the virus on Jan 5th and it was subsequently relayed to the rest of the world so that they can develop testing kits.

The public strategy of isolation seems fine to me but it's missing the testing. Seems to me people are instructed to ring 111 when they get symptoms which means they have time to spread it first when there should be a lot more pro-active testing to get to the chain earlier. Perhaps there is or was a shortage of test kits.

Mixed news then: China and Korea over the worst. Focus now on Italy and Iran.
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How difficult and expensive would it be to send a testing kit to every household? They had months of advance warning this virus was coming, couldn't they have prepared kits? Surely economically it would be cheaper than the impact of closing shopping centres, hotels and such?

Now don't shoot the messenger but I have just watched a video on YouTube that reckons the rollout of 5g and these extra powerful white street lights popping up all over is the real cause. Why? Well the more powerful magnetic fields and radiation emitted from them is damaging peoples immune system, so even common cold and flu viruses are killing more people. There may be something in it who knows?
 
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