Sheffield Wednesday - 6 more points deducted! (P37)

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

What a superb book was Rothmans. Every detail you could ever imagine.

Got every copy. Already pre-ordered next years.

 

[East Level 2]

The scope growth that a new owner could do for Sheffield Wednesday is easy top 6 in premier they are a massive club! If they are doing well in premier they’d easily sell out 50/60k stadium!

So they could displace one of City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle, Villa, Rags and Spurs on a regular basis?
That's rags with their army of officials not the humorous rags of last season?
They aren't top six in terms of capacity or trophies won; so what makes them massive? Regulars in the PL should be their target, but regulars in the top 6 might be a long time coming.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

What a superb book was Rothmans. Every detail you could ever imagine.

It's funny how as a kid collecting it, I made no connection to the book and smoking!

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

The scope growth that a new owner could do for Sheffield Wednesday is easy top 6 in premier they are a massive club! If they are doing well in premier they’d easily sell out 50/60k stadium!

Think you are over estimating that, as @East Level 2 adheres too above.
In a two club town, and a town surrounded by Barnsley, Rotherham and Doncaster at a push to the east, with Huddersfield and even Leeds to the north and then Chesterfield situated to the south, there isn't that much of a gap in the market to get a 50K crowd on a regular basis.

As much as I despise the Ghost Town Twats, I'd say Coventry would be a better investment as they are the only horse in town and have Warwickshire on their doorstep - towns like Nuneaton / Bedworth / Leamington / Warwick / Stratford / Rugby. They are all rag and red scouse central and have non league teams of their own but Cov making the PL would draw in many from these towns.

 

[NZBlue]

As much as I despise the Ghost Town Twats, I'd say Coventry would be a better investment as they are the only horse in town and have Warwickshire on their doorstep - towns like Nuneaton / Bedworth / Leamington / Warwick / Stratford / Rugby. They are all rag and red scouse central and have non league teams of their own but Cov making the PL would draw in many from these towns.

and it would be worth it just to see your reaction every time they do well :-)

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

and it would be worth it just to see your reaction every time they do well :-)

Ha! Hopefully it won’t ever happen!

 

[blue b4 the moon]

What a superb book was Rothmans. Every detail you could ever imagine.

Used to spend hours just reading stats as a kid.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

It's funny how as a kid collecting it, I made no connection to the book and smoking!

Same with the Guinness world record book and drinking.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Let's hope it's Qatar or the likes, there'd be a meltdown at the swamp. Plus we need to redress the yank balance.

 

[petrusha]

The scope growth that a new owner could do for Sheffield Wednesday is easy top 6 in premier they are a massive club! If they are doing well in premier they’d easily sell out 50/60k stadium!

I reckon that viewing them as a potential top-six outfit commanding gates of 60K is a bit OTT. My assessment takes account of the fact that Wednesday have won one League Cup in the last 90 years, have spent three-quarters of the time since 1970 outside the top flight (and not far off as many seasons in the third tier as in the first), and haven't had an average home attendance of even 30K in a season since before I was born (and I'm nearer to 60 years old than 50).

Moreover, their stadium is synonymous with one of the darkest episodes in the whole history of English football. More pertinently, it's now a rusting shit heap significant parts of which will soon be deemed unfit to house spectators in the modern era without major remedial work.

Their modern attendances are highly creditable given that they've not been in the PL since the turn of the Millennium and there's obviously considerable scope for improvement with investment coupled with capable management. They could become an established PL club if that happens.

However, they've not been an habitual top six side in the country for over a century and it would take stratospheric levels of external funding over many years to get anywhere near it again. And this presupposes the modern PSR regime changing to allow that.

It's highly unlikely to happen. Their best chance would be to become part of a major real estate ploy, as has happened at Birmingham City. There, the new owners want to build a multi-billion pound sports and entertainment complex, and a new stadium for the club is an anchor. They need the club to be a fairly decent PL outfit to maximise the potential of the venue as a whole and are prepared to invest to make it happen.

I'm not sure whether something similar is possible or likely in Sheffield. If so, Wednesday could benefit. But it strikes me that Brum is a more advantageous location than Sheffield for such a development.

 

[waspish]

Think you are over estimating that, as @East Level 2 adheres too above.
In a two club town, and a town surrounded by Barnsley, Rotherham and Doncaster at a push to the east, with Huddersfield and even Leeds to the north and then Chesterfield situated to the south, there isn't that much of a gap in the market to get a 50K crowd on a regular basis.

As much as I despise the Ghost Town Twats, I'd say Coventry would be a better investment as they are the only horse in town and have Warwickshire on their doorstep - towns like Nuneaton / Bedworth / Leamington / Warwick / Stratford / Rugby. They are all rag and red scouse central and have non league teams of their own but Cov making the PL would draw in many from these towns.

The club got 40k in late 90’s football different now well more popular! Look at gates of teams that reach the premier the sell out! So I disagree with you

 

[waspish]

I reckon that viewing them as a potential top-six outfit commanding gates of 60K is a bit OTT. My assessment takes account of the fact that Wednesday have won one League Cup in the last 90 years, have spent three-quarters of the time since 1970 outside the top flight (and not far off as many seasons in the third tier as in the first), and haven't had an average home attendance of even 30K in a season since before I was born (and I'm nearer to 60 years old than 50).

Moreover, their stadium is synonymous with one of the darkest episodes in the whole history of English football. More pertinently, it's now a rusting shit heap significant parts of which will soon be deemed unfit to house spectators in the modern era without major remedial work.

Their modern attendances are highly creditable given that they've not been in the PL since the turn of the Millennium and there's obviously considerable scope for improvement with investment coupled with capable management. They could become an established PL club if that happens.

However, they've not been an habitual top six side in the country for over a century and it would take stratospheric levels of external funding over many years to get anywhere near it again. And this presupposes the modern PSR regime changing to allow that.

It's highly unlikely to happen. Their best chance would be to become part of a major real estate ploy, as has happened at Birmingham City. There, the new owners want to build a multi-billion pound sports and entertainment complex, and a new stadium for the club is an anchor. They need the club to be a fairly decent PL outfit to maximise the potential of the venue as a whole and are prepared to invest to make it happen.

I'm not sure whether something similar is possible or likely in Sheffield. If so, Wednesday could benefit. But it strikes me that Brum is a more advantageous location than Sheffield for such a development.

Football different now to when they were doing quite well! We all know fans come out the woodwork when popular playing the top teams! We will only know if they ever get in that position! Just my opinion!

 

[petrusha]

The club got 40k in late 90’s football different now well more popular! Look at gates of teams that reach the premier the sell out! So I disagree with you

No, they fucking didn't. Their highest average gate in the 1990s was under 30K, as you can see here: https://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/league/shew.htm

It may be a different era now and gates generally are far bigger than 30 years ago. However, the kind of sustained success to grow their support in the way you suggest would take years and vast amounts of investment that simply isn't going to happen.

It's in the realms of fantasy. Like your grasp of statistics.

 

[Sibierskii]

Wednesday sell out up and down the country. Powerhouse if it gets in the right hands

 

[waspish]

No, they fucking didn't. Their highest average gate in the 1990s was under 30K, as you can see here: https://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/league/shew.htm

It may be a different era now and gates generally are far bigger than 30 years ago. However, the kind of sustained success to grow their support in the way you suggest would take years and vast amounts of investment that simply isn't going to happen.

It's in the realms of fantasy. Like your grasp of statistics.

Didn’t say or mean average I mean they had a gate of that! In the 50’s there averages gates were the highest like most clubs then

 

[KS55]

Sheffield is not really big enough to sustain two premier league clubs.
However, the surrounding areas are free of top flight clubs which helps them.
The ideal model is Newcastle: one club, packed out all the time.
When City saved the rags’ bacon in the thirties we did ourselves a disservice.
Our gates were huge then, the rags were down to less than 5,000. I don’t know how much support Manchester Central (the alternative to the rags) had or expected.
Now the power of the two big clubs is wearing away at the likes of Bolton, Rochdale, Oldham etc.
Not sure about the wisdom of the rags aiming for a stadium of 100,000 but it probably will never get built.

 

[West Yorks Owl]

Think you are over estimating that, as @East Level 2 adheres too above.
In a two club town, and a town surrounded by Barnsley, Rotherham and Doncaster at a push to the east, with Huddersfield and even Leeds to the north and then Chesterfield situated to the south, there isn't that much of a gap in the market to get a 50K crowd on a regular basis.

As much as I despise the Ghost Town Twats, I'd say Coventry would be a better investment as they are the only horse in town and have Warwickshire on their doorstep - towns like Nuneaton / Bedworth / Leamington / Warwick / Stratford / Rugby. They are all rag and red scouse central and have non league teams of their own but Cov making the PL would draw in many from these towns.

I reckon that viewing them as a potential top-six outfit commanding gates of 60K is a bit OTT. My assessment takes account of the fact that Wednesday have won one League Cup in the last 90 years, have spent three-quarters of the time since 1970 outside the top flight (and not far off as many seasons in the third tier as in the first), and haven't had an average home attendance of even 30K in a season since before I was born (and I'm nearer to 60 years old than 50).

Moreover, their stadium is synonymous with one of the darkest episodes in the whole history of English football. More pertinently, it's now a rusting shit heap significant parts of which will soon be deemed unfit to house spectators in the modern era without major remedial work.

Their modern attendances are highly creditable given that they've not been in the PL since the turn of the Millennium and there's obviously considerable scope for improvement with investment coupled with capable management. They could become an established PL club if that happens.

However, they've not been an habitual top six side in the country for over a century and it would take stratospheric levels of external funding over many years to get anywhere near it again. And this presupposes the modern PSR regime changing to allow that.

It's highly unlikely to happen. Their best chance would be to become part of a major real estate ploy, as has happened at Birmingham City. There, the new owners want to build a multi-billion pound sports and entertainment complex, and a new stadium for the club is an anchor. They need the club to be a fairly decent PL outfit to maximise the potential of the venue as a whole and are prepared to invest to make it happen.

I'm not sure whether something similar is possible or likely in Sheffield. If so, Wednesday could benefit. But it strikes me that Brum is a more advantageous location than Sheffield for such a development.

As a Wednesday fan I would agree with this unless we had the success of City maybe, but how many would be hangers on anyway? On the field it's been awful for a qtr of a century, tbh with that and the cost of tickets etc I amazed we still get the crowds we do.

What we do have as a fan base though is the ability to sell out/take large numbers when the team needs it, glory hunters (maybe glory is a little strong :)

Yesterday's sh*tshow had stories where a lot of people at the club (I presume this means players) were unhappy that Danny Rohl was looking to return.

Has he p*ssed people off when he went awol and offered his services to anybody in Europe who would take him??
Who knows, as always 1 step forward 2 back.

Also looks like we lost a couple of players, Gassama is going to Rangers, and Mussaba to a team in Turkey. If they were not part of the group who handed their notice in then that leaves us about 12 players.

I wonder if you can just give the opposition the game like in Sunday league football? Might be easier just to take the fine :)

 

[No.8]

As a Wednesday fan I would agree with this unless we had the success of City maybe, but how many would be hangers on anyway? On the field it's been awful for a qtr of a century, tbh with that and the cost of tickets etc I amazed we still get the crowds we do.

What we do have as a fan base though is the ability to sell out/take large numbers when the team needs it, glory hunters (maybe glory is a little strong :)

Yesterday's sh*tshow had stories where a lot of people at the club (I presume this means players) were unhappy that Danny Rohl was looking to return.

Has he p*ssed people off when he went awol and offered his services to anybody in Europe who would take him??
Who knows, as always 1 step forward 2 back.

Also looks like we lost a couple of players, Gassama is going to Rangers, and Mussaba to a team in Turkey. If they were not part of the group who handed their notice in then that leaves us about 12 players.

I wonder if you can just give the opposition the game like in Sunday league football? Might be easier just to take the fine :)

I think Gassama deal has been done as he’s been photographed in Rangers training gear

 

[Tbilisi]

Wednesday sell out up and down the country. Powerhouse if it gets in the right hands

Having lived in Sheffield for a few years when we moved from Manchester I agree, their away support has always been brilliant, even when they were really bad and avoided Div 4 in the 70s.

Sure they would pull 40k crowds if they got up.

 

[East Level 2]

40k in a 35k stadium?