Shooting outside the House of Commons

[aguero93:20]

its those yellow and orange bastards I don't trust

Racist

 

[bluethrunthru]

Racist

ha ha ha - guilty it seems

 

[malg]

4 innocents died on Wednesday and over 50 were injured some critically, what is wrong with you?

Nothing whatsoever.

 

[Blue Hefner]

I heard on the news yesterday that he was using Whatsapp before the attack but that the messages are encrypted.

I may have misunderstood but surely they are not saying that you can plan an attack over WhatsApp, delete the thread moments before and then no one see those messages? I'm not for a Police state but that can't be right? It may also help a defence case as he may have been coerced in to doing it?

 

[Elbow beards]

I heard on the news yesterday that he was using Whatsapp before the attack but that the messages are encrypted.

I may have misunderstood but surely they are not saying that you can plan an attack over WhatsApp, delete the thread moments before and then no one see those messages? I'm not for a Police state but that can't be right? It may also help a defence case as he may have been coerced in to doing it?

Yep, WhatsApp's now encrypted so no one can sneak a peek same as the yanks had that issue with Apple a few months ago

 

[Damocles]

I heard on the news yesterday that he was using Whatsapp before the attack but that the messages are encrypted.

I may have misunderstood but surely they are not saying that you can plan an attack over WhatsApp, delete the thread moments before and then no one see those messages? I'm not for a Police state but that can't be right? It may also help a defence case as he may have been coerced in to doing it?

Yes you can.

And the idea that it's even possible for the Government to tap into terrorist communication channels is hilarious to anybody who's a techie. If they have even the tiniest bit of organisation, which the Government claim they do, it's impossible, it cannot be done.

They "hack WhatsApp", they move onto something else and something else. And the hacker community would immediately notice if there was a problem in WhatsApp.

This is a mental modelling problem. The only way the Government know how to catch these people is through control. They want to control the phone networks, control the CCTV cameras, control the messaging apps. But the internet is by its very definition uncontrollable - it can't be done, the technology it is built upon ensures that it cannot be done. So instead of using old fashioned Police work they keep going down this slippery slope of "we need MORE CONTROL" because they realise that the control they do already have is inadequate. And it will always be inadequate. The internet was invented for people to freely share information with each other and it will never not be that because all the technologies that make the internet work have that singular goal built into it.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Yes you can.

And the idea that it's even possible for the Government to tap into terrorist communication channels is hilarious to anybody who's a techie. If they have even the tiniest bit of organisation, which the Government claim they do, it's impossible, it cannot be done.

They "hack WhatsApp", they move onto something else and something else. And the hacker community would immediately notice if there was a problem in WhatsApp.

This is a mental modelling problem. The only way the Government know how to catch these people is through control. They want to control the phone networks, control the CCTV cameras, control the messaging apps. But the internet is by its very definition uncontrollable - it can't be done, the technology it is built upon ensures that it cannot be done. So instead of using old fashioned Police work they keep going down this slippery slope of "we need MORE CONTROL" because they realise that the control they do already have is inadequate. And it will always be inadequate. The internet was invented for people to freely share information with each other and it will never not be that because all the technologies that make the internet work have that singular goal built into it.

I just assumed that all text messages, whether that be conventional texts or through WhatsApp, BBM etc were all stored somewhere so that in the event of something like this, they could trace. Didn't they do something similar to that after the London riots?

Let's just say I get arrested on suspicion of robbing a bank and all the evidence that I have been coerced/tricked into to doing it were on WhatsApp, but deleted from the phone. Even with my permission, would they be unable to access the messages?

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

I just assumed that all text messages, whether that be conventional texts or through WhatsApp, BBM etc were all stored somewhere so that in the event of something like this, they could trace. Didn't they do something similar to that after the London riots?

Let's just say I get arrested on suspicion of robbing a bank and all the evidence that I have been coerced/tricked into to doing it were on WhatsApp, but deleted from the phone. Even with my permission, would they be unable to access the messages?

No
edit: unless they are still stored on the handset of whoever sent it/received it, and investigators are in possession of that handset

 

[Blue Hefner]

No
edit: unless they are still stored on the handset of whoever sent it/received it, and investigators are in possession of that handset

So, in the case of the guy on the bridge with the car, simply pressing 'delete' removes all potential evidence?

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

So, in the case of the guy on the bridge with the car, simply pressing 'delete' removes all potential evidence?

Unless as above. If all recipients and sender to that message/conversation delete it, then yes, it is gone for good.