Should kids be taught religion in schools

[ElanJo]

Faith schools should be abolished.
Full stop.
It's bad enough teaching kids divisive fairy stories to start with,but once a school starts to teach five year olds that followers of religions other than their own are infidels and will burn in hell, it really is time to stop the madness.

Faith schools should not be abolished AT ALL.

Here in the UK, we have the freedoms to practice whatever mystical traditions that we wish, from Christianity to Jedi. Removing this, is a far, far worse scenario than removing faith schools. Faith schools' curriculum should be regulated to ensure that they are in line with the National Curriculum. I'm not sure if this currently happens or not, but I hope so.

What you want, instead of an enlightened society as you preach it, is a dictatorship in which we decide what it is ok for you to believe.

Government subsidisation of Faith Schools should definitely be abolished.

On another topic, I think it a bit off to suggest someone is being dictatorial whilst at the same time wanting to dictate the curriculum of a school.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Yes, they should be taught about all the major religions in an equal, neutral way.

Faith schools should also be regulated so that extremist views are excluded, anyone found advocating racist, extremist or criminal views to children should be imprisoned, it's just wrong.

 

[lloydie]

When will this particular penny actually drop with you?
Nobody is saying that folk are not free to follow whichever religion they want to.
There is a barmy religion in the states that considers it appropriate to hand venomous snakes to young kids to hold as some warped test of their faith,believing that if said child is bitten and dies,then their 'faith' wasn't strong enough.
Yet that nonsense is allowed,as they are an accredited religion,so that's ok then.
The difference between religious freedom and single faith schools is massive - people can practice whatever faith they want in the comfort of their own homes,but to teach a blinkered,sectarian view of one faith in a school just serves to further increase intolerance and mistrust.
You only have to take a look at how faith schools really helped to integrate the protestant and catholic communities in Northern Ireland for proof of that.
I am sorry that you consider this to be the worst debate you have had on here,but all you have consistently done is misrepresent my opposition to faith schools as an attack on the right to religious freedom,which a blind man can see is not the case.
And you can drop the infantile sarcasm you use to replace argument - it may come as a shock to you,but not everybody on this forum hangs on your every word as if it were on tablets of stone.
I think it best to agree to disagree on this one,as continuing a debate with somebody who's sole stock in trade is a smokescreen of misrepresentation is futile.

You know, for somebody who is trying to take the moral high ground, your last two posts have basically been just insults. I don't mind that, I just think it's laughable to play both sides and a little disingenuous.

What you fail to realise, is that an attack on faith schools IS an attack on religious freedom. People have the right to be educated in whatever warped belief system that they think suits them, as long as it meets certain national standards (which it does, if your post about their curriculum is anything to go by). We should always recommend what we should teach our kids. We should never say that we cannot teach something.

You are asking for us to curb the right for people to educate their children (thereby spread) in their chosen religion. I see that as an issue of religious freedom.

If I am misrepresenting your point, then I apologise and can only tell you that it isn't intentional. If you could address the point I made in the last paragraph, we could probably clear up this confusion on views.

Just to add; if I'm understanding you properly, you would only have a point if people were forced into faith schools by their faith, rather than their parents.

Oh yes it is!
Your whole argument is an emotional appeal that dictatorship is bad and then called people Dictators because they think religious indoctrination should not be subsidised by the state and woven into the fabric of education.

Again, Scandinavia manage it, France manages, loads of countries manage it..get a grip!




NF pwnd You !

 

[denislawsbackheel]

People have the right to be educated in whatever warped belief system that they think suits them, as long as it meets certain national standards

Not out of my taxes they don't.

 

[lee-mcfc]

no

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

If children can't be held accountable for things, and if they can't be held responsible for sex with adults, then they evidently can't choose their religion if their parents are the ones sending them to faith schools, bringing them up in that religion and indoctrinating them, causing them evident mental scarring and preventing them from being a carefree, open, fearless young person.

So for me, this religion in school is bad and should be managed properly.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Damocles.
I don't wish to re-hash an old and tired argument here,as I feel we are in danger of going round in ever-decreasing ecumenical circles here,and your increasingly obtuse and evasive answers are becoming tiresome to myself and probably others on this thread,but I would be greatly obliged if you could just answer one question for me.
And it is this.
You state that 'Jedi' is a faith which is recognised and accorded legal status.
You are on record stating that you consider single faith schools to be a good thing.
Does it then follow that if some deranged,Star Wars-besotted bloke started a private 'faith' school teaching kids 'Jedi' religion and morality,emphasising that this was the only correct way to live,then you would welcome it with open arms?
If you do,then I would have doubts regarding your sanity.
If you don't,then you are a hypocrite,as you are restricting freedom to educate according to belief.
So - which is it?

 

[Damocles]

Damocles.
I don't wish to re-hash an old and tired argument here,as I feel we are in danger of going round in ever-decreasing ecumenical circles here,and your increasingly obtuse and evasive answers are becoming tiresome to myself and probably others on this thread,but I would be greatly obliged if you could just answer one question for me.
And it is this.
You state that 'Jedi' is a faith which is recognised and accorded legal status.
You are on record stating that you consider single faith schools to be a good thing.
Does it then follow that if some deranged,Star Wars-besotted bloke started a private 'faith' school teaching kids 'Jedi' religion and morality,emphasising that this was the only correct way to live,then you would welcome it with open arms?
If you do,then I would have doubts regarding your sanity.
If you don't,then you are a hypocrite,as you are restricting freedom to educate according to belief.
So - which is it?

How am I been obtuse and evasive?

You know, you keep throwing out these insults without provocation, whilst still failing to address any points that I made.

Also, I'm not on record as stating single faith schools as a good thing. I'm on record saying that they should not be abolished. These are different things. Didn't you just give big lecture abut misrepresentation of argument?

To answer your question, yes, any religion including Jedi should have the opportunity to attend a school that reflects their faith. I don't believe that any government have the right to tell me where I educate my children.<br /><br />-- Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:56 pm --<br /><br />

Oh yes it is!
Your whole argument is an emotional appeal that dictatorship is bad and then called people Dictators because they think religious indoctrination should not be subsidised by the state and woven into the fabric of education.

Again, Scandinavia manage it, France manages, loads of countries manage it..get a grip!

NF pwnd You !

You have completely misunderstood the argument, seemingly form both sides.

Also, anybody who uses the word "pwned" in an adult debate has no place in an adult debate.

 

[lloydie]

Damocles.
I don't wish to re-hash an old and tired argument here,as I feel we are in danger of going round in ever-decreasing ecumenical circles here,and your increasingly obtuse and evasive answers are becoming tiresome to myself and probably others on this thread,but I would be greatly obliged if you could just answer one question for me.
And it is this.
You state that 'Jedi' is a faith which is recognised and accorded legal status.
You are on record stating that you consider single faith schools to be a good thing.
Does it then follow that if some deranged,Star Wars-besotted bloke started a private 'faith' school teaching kids 'Jedi' religion and morality,emphasising that this was the only correct way to live,then you would welcome it with open arms?
If you do,then I would have doubts regarding your sanity.
If you don't,then you are a hypocrite,as you are restricting freedom to educate according to belief.
So - which is it?

How am I been obtuse and evasive?

You know, you keep throwing out these insults without provocation, whilst still failing to address any points that I made.

Also, I'm not on record as stating single faith schools as a good thing. I'm on record saying that they should not be abolished. These are different things. Didn't you just give big lecture abut misrepresentation of argument?

To answer your question, yes, any religion including Jedi should have the opportunity to attend a school that reflects their faith. I don't believe that any government have the right to tell me where I educate my children.

-- Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:56 pm --

Oh yes it is!
Your whole argument is an emotional appeal that dictatorship is bad and then called people Dictators because they think religious indoctrination should not be subsidised by the state and woven into the fabric of education.

Again, Scandinavia manage it, France manages, loads of countries manage it..get a grip!

NF pwnd You !

You have completely misunderstood the argument, seemingly form both sides.

Also, anybody who uses the word "pwned" in an adult debate has no place in an adult debate.

Ok I retract the 'pwned' (although I thought it added a little levity at the time) and I'll substitute it with, "NF has made your argument look rather vacuous". Can I join in now?

So the state has no role in telling you what type of school you can send your child to, does this apply to a school that taught Nazi propaganda?
If you accept that the state has a role in education, and have already done so by your reference to the national curriculum, then it's perverse to exclude the state making decisions about the governance of schools.
Your argument doesn't stand up and calling people dictators is the real infantile behaviour here, akin to Godwins law.

 

[BluePurgatory]

should kids be taught religion in schools ? still happens here, but is it right to teach kids that this person called Jesus did supernatural things like walking on water ?

Absolutely. Religion is a massive part of our culture, and people who don't study it are the worse of for it.

The above and the fact that the laws of this land are based on the ten commandments. I honestly believe if no one believed in a god then the world would be a more evil place to live in.