Should this whiny bitch I know be allowed to go on holiday?

[johnmc]

Re: Re: Should people on benefits be allowed abroad?

You don't have to have insurance to travel

Quite correct,but you should cover yourself for medical treatment,especially if you are being treated for something or on full medication.The E111 will only cover you for hospital treatment usually outside of your illness/es

that's all a matter of choice though oakie. i',m just pointing out to '2sheiks' that insurance isn't obligatory and whoever told him it was will probably try and sell him/her an overpriced policy.

When you say overpriced insurance cover for a trip will cost around £30. You don't need it but anyone who has bought it and needed to use it will tell you its £30 well spent. People who don't have it but needed it will tell you its £30 they wish they spent.

 

[stonerblue]

Re: Re: Should people on benefits be allowed abroad?

Quite correct,but you should cover yourself for medical treatment,especially if you are being treated for something or on full medication.The E111 will only cover you for hospital treatment usually outside of your illness/es

that's all a matter of choice though oakie. i',m just pointing out to '2sheiks' that insurance isn't obligatory and whoever told him it was will probably try and sell him/her an overpriced policy.

When you say overpriced insurance cover for a trip will cost around £30. You don't need it but anyone who has bought it and needed to use it will tell you its £30 well spent. People who don't have it but needed it will tell you its £30 they wish they spent.

You never hear people say, "I went away without insurance and didn't need any as it happens."

 

[johnmc]

Re: Re: Re: Should people on benefits be allowed abroad?

that's all a matter of choice though oakie. i',m just pointing out to '2sheiks' that insurance isn't obligatory and whoever told him it was will probably try and sell him/her an overpriced policy.

When you say overpriced insurance cover for a trip will cost around £30. You don't need it but anyone who has bought it and needed to use it will tell you its £30 well spent. People who don't have it but needed it will tell you its £30 they wish they spent.

You never hear people say, "I went away without insurance and didn't need any as it happens."

No but you don't hear people say I've not needed house insurance but have been paying for 5 years.

I've heard people being hit with medical costs abroad, having their bags stolen and i know one person who died abroad whose family had to find thousands for repatriation.

 

[idahoblues]

Re: Should people on benefits be allowed abroad?

There's a bill here they're trying to get put up for election to make drug testing mandatory for wellfare recipients....

 

[oakiecokie]

Re: Should people on benefits be allowed abroad?

There's a bill here they're trying to get put up for election to make drug testing mandatory for wellfare recipients....

Am I assuming correctly thats to show that they are actually taking their medication ??

 

[idahoblues]

Re: Should people on benefits be allowed abroad?

not sure if meth counts as medication

 

[oakiecokie]

Re: Should people on benefits be allowed abroad?

not sure if meth counts as medication

No mate. lol
Actually over here in the UK,proven alcoholics are given I think it is,an extra £10 per week,to buy alcohol,if they can prove they are trying to cut drink out altogether and this goes towards weaning them off it.

 

[idahoblues]

Re: Should people on benefits be allowed abroad?

not sure if meth counts as medication

No mate. lol
Actually over here in the UK,proven alcoholics are given I think it is,an extra £10 per week,to buy alcohol,if they can prove they are trying to cut drink out altogether and this goes towards weaning them off it.

that's the fucked up thing with any social wellfare system, and don't get me wrong I believe it should be there, but there are always cases of misuse to the point where you can see where the these questions are raised. I hate to see that shit because it draws doubt on legitimate people

 

[LongLang]

Re: Should people on benefits be allowed abroad?

I would love to spend valuable time with a proper reply to you but I will just say that you come over like a complete and utter arrogant tosser.

Maybe. But i can sound arrogant with a clear concience that i have worked for everything i have, and not had it given to me. I have paid my dues to this government, whereas some are just too happy to take. If thats makes you upset, so be it, its soft soaping the lazy bastards that got it this way in the first place.

Have you ever considered what employers want in an employee? Do you REALLY think that McDonalds want, for example, a software engineer to take a job just to clear off when a better job comes along?

Are you really stupid enough to think that ANY person can succeed in ANY job?


I would love to spend valuable
You argument is shortsighted and ill thought out.

Been there pal. Macdonalds are not arsed if your a nobel prize winner as long as you do the job they ask for minimum wage.
Glen quagmire put on here a few months ago about there being jobs in macdonalds in town, and another poster, who was moaning about there being no jobs, said he couldnt take it because he was vegan and didnt agree with macdonalds prinviples etc. so i work and pay my taxes while he sits at home being self rightous collecting free money.
Im not a fan of picking up dog shit, but if it paid, and was the only way i could feed my family honestly rather than taking a living from other peoples hard work, then i would do it.

Thats the difference between someone who wants to work and someone isnt bothered.

 

[Happy Feet]

Re: Should people on benefits be allowed abroad?

Maybe. But i can sound arrogant with a clear concience that i have worked for everything i have, and not had it given to me. I have paid my dues to this government, whereas some are just too happy to take. If thats makes you upset, so be it, its soft soaping the lazy bastards that got it this way in the first place.

Have you ever considered what employers want in an employee? Do you REALLY think that McDonalds want, for example, a software engineer to take a job just to clear off when a better job comes along?

Are you really stupid enough to think that ANY person can succeed in ANY job?


I would love to spend valuable
You argument is shortsighted and ill thought out.

Been there pal. Macdonalds are not arsed if your a nobel prize winner as long as you do the job they ask for minimum wage.
Glen quagmire put on here a few months ago about there being jobs in macdonalds in town, and another poster, who was moaning about there being no jobs, said he couldnt take it because he was vegan and didnt agree with macdonalds prinviples etc. so i work and pay my taxes while he sits at home being self rightous collecting free money.
Im not a fan of picking up dog shit, but if it paid, and was the only way i could feed my family honestly rather than taking a living from other peoples hard work, then i would do it.

Thats the difference between someone who wants to work and someone isnt bothered.

Correct

 

[SWP's back]

Re: Should people on benefits be allowed abroad?

Depends on the benefit. There are.benefits for a wide range of things.

What benefit would they have to be in recipt of to not be allowed to go abroad in your view?

 

[LittleStan]

Re: Should people on benefits be allowed abroad?

Been there pal. Macdonalds are not arsed if your a nobel prize winner as long as you do the job they ask for minimum wage.
Glen quagmire put on here a few months ago about there being jobs in macdonalds in town, and another poster, who was moaning about there being no jobs, said he couldnt take it because he was vegan and didnt agree with macdonalds prinviples etc. so i work and pay my taxes while he sits at home being self rightous collecting free money.
Im not a fan of picking up dog shit, but if it paid, and was the only way i could feed my family honestly rather than taking a living from other peoples hard work, then i would do it.

Thats the difference between someone who wants to work and someone isnt bothered.

Correct

I am sure you are right in some cases.

I applied to an agency for driving jobs to be told, and I remember the words pretty well.

"Why should we put you on the books when we have 100's of drivers looking for work who will not move as soon as a better job comes along"

At any one point in time there are 100's of jobs, at the same point in time there are 1000's of people looking for them.

The maths do not support your 'can't be bothered' argument

You could pick the vegan example, I can pick a driving example.

Companies can get exactly what they want from the market, this does not in any way suggest that the majority of people don't want the 'shitty' jobs.

I can't get the shitty job. Nothing to do with not being bothered. And I am certainly not alone.

 

[johnmc]

Re: Should people on benefits be allowed abroad?

Depends on the benefit. There are.benefits for a wide range of things.

What benefit would they have to be in recipt of to not be allowed to go abroad in your view?

To go abroad? I didnt say that did I? I said holiday.

If someone was on job seekers for more than 12 months they should qualify the purpose of any trips abroad. If they are going on a two week jolly to tenerife I'd cut their benefit.

 

[tueartsboots]

Re: Should people on benefits be allowed abroad?

Been there pal. Macdonalds are not arsed if your a nobel prize winner as long as you do the job they ask for minimum wage.
Glen quagmire put on here a few months ago about there being jobs in macdonalds in town, and another poster, who was moaning about there being no jobs, said he couldnt take it because he was vegan and didnt agree with macdonalds prinviples etc. so i work and pay my taxes while he sits at home being self rightous collecting free money.
Im not a fan of picking up dog shit, but if it paid, and was the only way i could feed my family honestly rather than taking a living from other peoples hard work, then i would do it.

Thats the difference between someone who wants to work and someone isnt bothered.

Correct

I am sure you are right in some cases.

I applied to an agency for driving jobs to be told, and I remember the words pretty well.

"Why should we put you on the books when we have 100's of drivers looking for work who will not move as soon as a better job comes along"

At any one point in time there are 100's of jobs, at the same point in time there are 1000's of people looking for them.

The maths do not support your 'can't be bothered' argument

You could pick the vegan example, I can pick a driving example.

Companies can get exactly what they want from the market, this does not in any way suggest that the majority of people don't want the 'shitty' jobs.

I can't get the shitty job. Nothing to do with not being bothered. And I am certainly not alone.

ONS said there are an average of 18 applicants for every job, I use <a class="postlink" href="http://www.reed.co.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">www.reed.co.uk</a> and the amount of "menial" jobs that have over 400 applicants is scary

 

[Mantel]

Re: Should people on benefits be allowed abroad?

There's a bill here they're trying to get put up for election to make drug testing mandatory for wellfare recipients....

Wasn't that or something similar on The Daily Show a few weeks ago?

 

[LongLang]

Re: Should people on benefits be allowed abroad?

Correct

I am sure you are right in some cases.

I applied to an agency for driving jobs to be told, and I remember the words pretty well.

"Why should we put you on the books when we have 100's of drivers looking for work who will not move as soon as a better job comes along"

At any one point in time there are 100's of jobs, at the same point in time there are 1000's of people looking for them.

The maths do not support your 'can't be bothered' argument

You could pick the vegan example, I can pick a driving example.

Companies can get exactly what they want from the market, this does not in any way suggest that the majority of people don't want the 'shitty' jobs.

I can't get the shitty job. Nothing to do with not being bothered. And I am certainly not alone.

ONS said there are an average of 18 applicants for every job, I use <a class="postlink" href="http://www.reed.co.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.reed.co.uk</a> and the amount of "menial" jobs that have over 400 applicants is scary

probably right.
when i take interviews, for a variety of roles, which are advertised in the job centre, i get around 20-30 applicants.
5 of which are trying to get a job, the other 15-25 turn up late, no interest in the job and try their best not to get employed.
of the 5 that are employed, we may get 1 or 2 that stay for more than a month.
as long as they apply for some jobs, they are fine to keep collecting JSA.

 

[nelsons willie]

Re: Should people on benefits be allowed abroad?

Just been to sign on,2 minutes in and out. £275 a week.now im back home and can start planning my next holiday while watching jeremy kyle on my 52" plasma screen.Fillet steak is in the slow cooker and champagne on ice for tonights game.So glad i dont have to work tomorrow.


NB. Statistics provide by the daily fail

 

[mcmanus]

Re: Should people on benefits be allowed abroad?

Longland quote: Macdonalds are not arsed if your a nobel prize winner as long as you do the job they ask for minimum wage.

Very untrue.

My mate manages fast food outlets so does the hiring and firing. Loads of applications for the one job nowadays so getting an interview is difficult. He doesn't pick the people with the most qualifications or most job history. From years of experience he picks the people who are just about competent and will be happyish doing the job. They last a lot longer. Plus minimum wage is less for younger people.

You're more likely to see an honest politican before a Nobel prize winner working at McDonald's.

 

[LongLang]

Re: Should people on benefits be allowed abroad?

just seen an advert in the MEN. "301 jobs in todays issue"

the MEN is 1 paper in manchester, which is 1 place to find jobs.
now add the advertiser, the reporter and all the other local papers offering jobs. then add the job centres and job search websites.
there are plenty to apply for if you are willing to look.
nobody will just give you a job, you have to put yourself about and take a job.
i know of people fired who picked up a job the very next day, because they went out and found one.
i also know that the only person i know to leave his job, still hasn't found one....... because he can't be arsed to look. a lazy twat to reliant on mummy and daddy feeding him and keeping a roof on his head.
spot the difference.
you may not like what im saying, but benefits are for people who CAN'T work, not for people who WONT work.

 

[stonerblue]

Re: Should people on benefits be allowed abroad?

just seen an advert in the MEN. "301 jobs in todays issue"

the MEN is 1 paper in manchester, which is 1 place to find jobs.
now add the advertiser, the reporter and all the other local papers offering jobs. then add the job centres and job search websites.
there are plenty to apply for if you are willing to look.
nobody will just give you a job, you have to put yourself about and take a job.
i know of people fired who picked up a job the very next day, because they went out and found one.
i also know that the only person i know to leave his job, still hasn't found one....... because he can't be arsed to look. a lazy twat to reliant on mummy and daddy feeding him and keeping a roof on his head.
spot the difference.
you may not like what im saying, but benefits are for people who CAN'T work, not for people who WONT work.

I agree with the last bit.

Now spend all afternoon ringing some of those ad's and applying for the jobs.