Should we start playing with wingers?

[Marvin]

No as it doesn't work in Europe. It only works for United in the PL as the majority of managers have no tactical nous other than 'park the bus' which sadly can work against us if actioned effectively.

United are the only team I can think of that play with conventional wingers. All the other mentioned Ronaldo/Di Maria/Bale/Ribery/Robben etc have a lot more to their game.

I think focusing on a Cavani/Falcao is not what we need. I'd prefer to go all out for Bale or Neymar if we are switching to 433.

Bale Aguero Silva as a forward 3 offers pace, power, skill and workrate.

But the 4 champions league semi finalisits all play with wingers/wide men....??

Wide men, but not as conventional wingers as employed by United. They all have attributes of wingers but play more as 'inside forwards' (is that the correct term?) or as seen in Ronaldo and Messi even as a striker.

IMO this is the kind of player we need more than any other.

I agree, but we need an out and out striker even more. Unless we're gambling on Tevez and Aguero staying fit for all of next season

 

[NoahCity]

No as it doesn't work in Europe. It only works for United in the PL as the majority of managers have no tactical nous other than 'park the bus' which sadly can work against us if actioned effectively.

United are the only team I can think of that play with conventional wingers. All the other mentioned Ronaldo/Di Maria/Bale/Ribery/Robben etc have a lot more to their game.

I think focusing on a Cavani/Falcao is not what we need. I'd prefer to go all out for Bale or Neymar if we are switching to 433.

Bale Aguero Silva as a forward 3 offers pace, power, skill and workrate.

But the 4 champions league semi finalisits all play with wingers/wide men....??

Wide men, but not as conventional wingers as employed by United. They all have attributes of wingers but play more as 'inside forwards' (is that the correct term?) or as seen in Ronaldo and Messi even as a striker.

IMO this is the kind of player we need more than any other.

so like Lamela/Sanchez/Jovetic?

 

[nehe11]

There's a difference between caveman winger style and a modern winger style. We're the only top club I can think of without a real winger option... oh, Juventus I suppose, but their wing-backs are very effective.

Id say they have Giovinco as an option at least... We so need this option and have done for 2 years. Amazed people dont see it...

Giovinco is not a winger

 

[ROCKET80]

But the 4 champions league semi finalisits all play with wingers/wide men....??

Wide men, but not as conventional wingers as employed by United. They all have attributes of wingers but play more as 'inside forwards' (is that the correct term?) or as seen in Ronaldo and Messi even as a striker.

IMO this is the kind of player we need more than any other.

I agree, but we need an out and out striker even more. Unless we're gambling on Tevez and Aguero staying fit for all of next season

Which striker is the question. Should we spend big on Cavani? Or go for more potential?

One thing is for sure Summer is going to be very interesting with alot of happy fans but I'd imagine quite a few confused ones too.

 

[Bluearmy]

There's a difference between caveman winger style and a modern winger style. We're the only top club I can think of without a real winger option... oh, Juventus I suppose, but their wing-backs are very effective.

Id say they have Giovinco as an option at least... We so need this option and have done for 2 years. Amazed people dont see it...

Giovinco is not a winger

No, agreed, but he has played there occasionally and can go pasty a man...

 

[yerwot?]

this fixation with wingers is not shared by RM. What does a winger do but hit hopeful balls into the middle. That means having an andy carrol type in the middle. Too stereotyped, will not work in europe, without a ronaldo who is only a winger to collect the ball, after that heads for goal. There is very few of that calibre. The way we play at the moment is laboured because the team as a whole is too slow to spring forward and it wont change until we get young fast players to replace the pedestrians we have at the mo. About 5. The biggest problem is offloading those who are not up to where we want to be. Great teams have no one-dimensional players, they have to be comfortable on the ball, fast-thinking and fast acting. Next year should see an improvement the year after will be the one it comes together.

 

[Bluearmy]

this fixation with wingers is not shared by RM. What does a winger do but hit hopeful balls into the middle. That means having an andy carrol type in the middle. Too stereotyped, will not work in europe, without a ronaldo who is only a winger to collect the ball, after that heads for goal. There is very few of that calibre. The way we play at the moment is laboured because the team as a whole is too slow to spring forward and it wont change until we get young fast players to replace the pedestrians we have at the mo. About 5. The biggest problem is offloading those who are not up to where we want to be. Great teams have no one-dimensional players, they have to be comfortable on the ball, fast-thinking and fast acting. Next year should see an improvement the year after will be the one it comes together.

No it doesnt, Madrid, Barca, Dortmund and Bayern have all played with them at times...

 

[ROCKET80]

But the 4 champions league semi finalisits all play with wingers/wide men....??

Wide men, but not as conventional wingers as employed by United. They all have attributes of wingers but play more as 'inside forwards' (is that the correct term?) or as seen in Ronaldo and Messi even as a striker.

IMO this is the kind of player we need more than any other.

so like Lamela/Sanchez/Jovetic?

I haven't seen any of Lamela and only snipets of Jovetic are they this type of player? More importantly are they any good.

I'd class Sanchez as that type of player and I'd be pleased if we signed him.

 

[geek]

We have a decent winger that was playing well in a "lesser" team in Sinclair. We just need mancini to open his eyes sometimes and see when yo use him and maybe sooner that 89 mins when its too late.
Players and mancini need to take this season on the chin and learn from their mistakes for us to progress

 

[Aguero_Element]

such a disgusting sniveling raggy post. OP look at yourself

 

[geek]

We have a decent winger that was playing well in a "lesser" team in Sinclair. We just need mancini to open his eyes sometimes and see when yo use him and maybe sooner that 89 mins when its too late.
Players and mancini need to take this season on the chin and learn from their mistakes for us to progress

 

[paulchapo]

It was generally agreed on a post here somewhere that the rags roll over most teams by playing with more speed and wingers and a more direct style.They struggle a bit when they play a better side in the top six that can counteract that style.

Now.....considering we struggle to break lesser teams down and score against them,this season in particular,it isn't rocket science to have a plan B in the style of the rags to overcome this and revert to our normal play when playing the better teams.

 

[fatbloke]

If anyone disputes the need for at least one winger they need to have a look back to the Wigan home game last week. Bringing Sinclair on changed the whole complexion of the game, it opened up space in the middle for Tevez and completely nullified the threat of their left wing back.

 

[ninjamonkey]

The reason United win so many games against shit opposition in particular that stick every man behind the ball is because they simply bombard their box with cross after cross from their wingers. It's inevitable one of those crosses will fall to a striker eventually, whereas it's a lot easier if you are compact as a team to play against our passing style and shut us out for 90 minutes. It looks shit but it's effective and we at least need it as an option in those games where we simply cannot break teams down. If you look at our results this season there's far too many dropped points from teams in the lower half of the table. Mancini must realise this in the summer if we are to regain the title next year.

 

[ROCKET80]

If anyone disputes the need for at least one winger they need to have a look back to the Wigan home game last week. Bringing Sinclair on changed the whole complexion of the game, it opened up space in the middle for Tevez and completely nullified the threat of their left wing back.

The exact same thing happened v Reading at home and a criticism of Mancini is that he often waits too late to make the change.

I hope sinclair gets a few more run outs now to show us what he can do and perhaps build up some confidence.

He's by no means the finished article (probably not even half way there yet) but he'd make a great understudy to someone like Bale/Sanchez and also give us the option of having 2 'wide men' as a plan B.

 

[TueartsOHK]

There's a difference between caveman winger style and a modern winger style. We're the only top club I can think of without a real winger option... oh, Juventus I suppose, but their wing-backs are very effective.

I think that we try to deploy wingbacks but on we don't really have players that have the ability to cross into the box (Kolorov should be this man but I don't trust him to get back and defend). I would love to see some players with pace that could get forward and put balls into the box. I disagree with a lot of the posts on here about being happy with our current stlye of football - it's one dimensional and pedestrian and totally ineffective against teams parking the bus.

 

[GXCity]

Not necessarily wingers but pace is what we need. When we do actually break at speed we are pretty devastating (Arse in LC last year?) but we don't have the confidence to do it all of the time. Get a bit of pace in the team and we can play our usual possession game as well as defending deep and hitting teams on the counter.

 

[Blue Heaven]

What's a 'winger'...?

 

[AntiUnited]

But the 4 champions league semi finalisits all play with wingers/wide men....??

Wide men, but not as conventional wingers as employed by United. They all have attributes of wingers but play more as 'inside forwards' (is that the correct term?) or as seen in Ronaldo and Messi even as a striker.

IMO this is the kind of player we need more than any other.

I agree, but we need an out and out striker even more. Unless we're gambling on Tevez and Aguero staying fit for all of next season

hahaha we have the best inside the box striker in the league that thrives off wing play in dzeko and u want to splurge more money on another striker ?? fix the width like banes which requires there full backs to respect his wing play which will open up the fukin middle of the field which would allow silva and nasri to pick apart there defense.. ive been saying this for ages even if we get christ as our striker he wont score shit if they know the only area we are going to shoot on goal is from the middle ... = compact 11 in front of the box..

 

[coulsonblue]

We desperately need width. Doesn't have to mean crosses lumped into the box