Since the start of the prem...

Or, you can remind him of what some of their current players cost

De Gea - 18m
Ferdinand -30m
Rooney - 30m
Anderson - £20m
Nani -17m
Carrick - 18m
Berbatov - 30m
Valencia - 16m
 
The Pink Panther said:
Or, you can remind him of what some of their current players cost

De Gea - 18m
Ferdinand -30m
Rooney - 30m
Anderson - £20m
Nani -17m
Carrick - 18m
Berbatov - 30m
Valencia - 16m
Jones- 17m
Young- 18m
 
In regard to football inflation, the rags Premier league winners money in 1993 was £815,210.
In 2011 it was £15.1m plus to that figure you can add £45M in TV money, which is why comparing players bought in 1993 to today is impossible
 
Pigeonho said:
How can you include inflation though? Surely its a matter of what has been spent, rather than what has been spent and what the equivalent would be now? If I spend a tenner in 2010 and my mate spends £20 in 2011, the fact is he spent more if asked? Or am I looking at things too simplistic?

Yes...you are being simplistic if you ignore the effects of inflation.

But the problem then becomes...what is the correct "measure" of football inflation?

What lies behind these types of discussions is whether we are simply "buying the league title" (hopefully!) or whether we are simply catching up in 2-3 years with the sort of money teams like Utd have spent over the previous 20 years.

There is no easy answer...but I would argue that any team's expenditure needs to be related to the average turnover of a PL club to get an idea of how they are using financial muscle in the transfer market.

The Sky deals (both domestic + overseas) + improved commercial deals have dramatically increased the average turnover of a PL team from approx £10-£15m to around £60-70m (with top clubs like Arsenal / Chelsea / Utd now in the £200-£300m range).

I can't find the figures to prove the point...but I suspect that as a % of turnover the £1.5m we spent on Steve Daley in 1979 was a bigger outlay than the £24m on Yaya Toure in 2010...and it would be ridiculous to compare the transfer fees without taking this into account.
 
That transfer website is not really accurate for this debate as some have said here:

Eric Cantona cost around £2,5Mil in 1992, if he was a fresh player and in 2012 he would of sold for what, £30mil easy? Considering the likes of Torres have gone for £50Mil

The value of XXX is deemed by who's selling XXX and who's buying XXX.... Does the seller need to sell? and does the buyer need to buy?

if Arsenal bid for Andy Carroll, they might of spent £20mil, whereas the price for Liverpool was £35mil

United have consistently bought high-profile players, already proven world class players for silly amounts of money, and they have done this to win things.

Whether we have spent less/more is irrelevant, the only difference between us and them is that they have bought success for longer periods, we have just found our feet and started to buy winners, the pick of the litter... rather than the dregs of the barrel as in the past since the Prem was formed.
 
Eds said:
We have by approximately 170 million but only because ofhe last three years. Check out this site for our spending <a class="postlink" href="http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/manchester-city-transfers.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier ... sfers.html</a> and then google similar for them. That said you should take inflation into account so for instance in season 03/04 we spent £9.8 million they spent £53.35 million, what is the equivalent today? They also spent £57 million in season 01/02!!!

great point
 
Pigeonho said:
dan34 said:
JoeMercer'sWay said:
it's irrelevant without adjusting for inflation.

Andy Cole would have been 30-40m now.


^^ this Pigeonho, couldnt think how to word it but this sums it up
Right I see now, so because Aguero has cost X amount in 2011, it's relatively the same as a Cole would have cost back then in comparison to everything else? (I may have worded that wrong, but I get the jist for sure).

yeah, sort of, obviously it would vary slightly because aguero would have been bought from abroad, but even then this was pre-Real Madrid going completely loopy stage, but comparitively the Italian and Spanish clubs have a fair bit of money.

You can look though and see the best strikers of that time(Cole, Shearer, Fowler, Yorke etc.) nowadays would have fetched £25m odd each minimu, guys like Cole and Shearer I reckon more.

Considering the premium on English players now, compared to back then, and the tendency to stay home to buy back then, you have to look at the highest fees we pay today and say they would be worth at least that in today's market.

Zidane, the best player in the world at the turn of the century, £45m, Ronaldo, £80m, another example.
 
On strictly monetary terms ignoring inflation we have spent a crap load more, especially in net terms (if you subtract sales).

For net figures, the issue is the rags have been selling top class players from a winning squad, hence could get top prices for them. We've been selling dross (with the occasional good player) from a dross squad so getting rock bottom prices. SWP was our only real success, we sold Anelka at his peak age at a loss and got less for him than Bolton did 4 years later at the age of 30.

As people have said, adjust for normal inflation and, even more so, actual player price inflation then they have spent pots more. They hold the record for beating the british transfer records of any club. We've spent 90% of our cash taking, at best, a mid table team to top of the league team in 3 years when player prices have never been higher. They have been drip-feeding in players for 20 years with some of their players, based on todays prices, would have been costing them £30-£40m instead of £5-6m like they paid.

Another way to look at it is compare the values of their first choice 18 (especially if you take out Scholes & Giggs) to our first choice 18. The difference is only about 10-20% with them coming in around £200m-ish and us around £250m-ish.

Tell the git you'll come back to him in 5 years time, we need to offload a pile of players we don't want, our teams average age is probably around 25 (virtually all proven internationals) and I think apart from another chunk to be spent in summer on a few players (maybe 3-4 at most), mostly recouped from sales hopefully, I can't see us spending big for the foreseeable future. Just £20m/year to refresh the squad unless we have a player leaving is what I see after summer 2013.
 

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