Since when did 'contact' become a foul?

[JamesR]

Referees need to be the same standard as Premier League footballers.

They need to be trained from a young age and need salaries to match.

That includes the assistant refs as well.

You know whats ridiculous? That liners aren't even professionals - these are men making decisions that can make or break seasons and potentially cost millions and millions of pounds and they are PART TIME. Surely its a no brainer to shell out a few hundred thousand quid extra each year to pay these guys enough to allow them proper training.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If referees gave a penalty every time there was contact in the box, especially at corners, then I reckon there would be about ten penalties a game, twenty if Ferdinand is playing.

 

[twinkletoes]

Referees need to be the same standard as Premier League footballers.

They need to be trained from a young age and need salaries to match.

That includes the assistant refs as well.

You know whats ridiculous? That liners aren't even professionals - these are men making decisions that can make or break seasons and potentially cost millions and millions of pounds and they are PART TIME. Surely its a no brainer to shell out a few hundred thousand quid extra each year to pay these guys enough to allow them proper training.

I am talking about getting 17 and 18 year olds having chosen referring as a profession.

They will then be trained to a very high standard and paid accordingly.

 

[quiet_riot]

Referees need to be the same standard as Premier League footballers.

They need to be trained from a young age and need salaries to match.

That includes the assistant refs as well.

You know whats ridiculous? That liners aren't even professionals - these are men making decisions that can make or break seasons and potentially cost millions and millions of pounds and they are PART TIME. Surely its a no brainer to shell out a few hundred thousand quid extra each year to pay these guys enough to allow them proper training.

£300 per game is what the linos get paid, crazy stuff.

 

[Oystercatcher28]

Don't you know that football is now a 'non-contact' sport ;-)
pmsl!

City responded swiftly to my calls.

 

[PistonBlue]

Referees need to be the same standard as Premier League footballers.

They need to be trained from a young age and need salaries to match.

That includes the assistant refs as well.

You know whats ridiculous? That liners aren't even professionals - these are men making decisions that can make or break seasons and potentially cost millions and millions of pounds and they are PART TIME. Surely its a no brainer to shell out a few hundred thousand quid extra each year to pay these guys enough to allow them proper training.

I am talking about getting 17 and 18 year olds having chosen referring as a profession.

They will then be trained to a very high standard and paid accordingly.

Referees are already 'professionals' and on very good money, and yet they still seem to be blind/stupid/corrupt (delete as applicable).

What they need is help, transparent help that we can all see. As in Cricket and Rugby, the public at home can see the same replays the 3rd Umpire can see when making his decision. My only issue is that I'm not sure we can trust the FA to get it right even then. If we take the QPR red card against the rags,and the Mario non red card against the Arse as examples, some fool within the FA had a closer look at the incidents the following day and still decided the referee was right in the first place, which he clearly was not. How we get around this level of blindness/stupidity/corruption(again delete as applicable) is quite beyond me, but paying the perpetrators more is not going to help.

 

[Carver]

LAW 12 – FOULS AND MISCONDUCT
Fouls and misconduct are penalised as follows:
Direct free kick
A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be
careless, reckless or using excessive force:
• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent
• tackles an opponent
A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following three offences:
• holds an opponent
• spits at an opponent
• handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own
penalty area)
A direct free kick is taken from the place where the offence occurred
(see Law 13 – Position of free kick).
Penalty kick
A penalty kick is awarded if any of the above ten offences is committed by
a player inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of the ball,
provided it is in play.


An indirect free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if, in the opinion of
the referee, a player:
• plays in a dangerous manner
• impedes the progress of an opponent
• prevents the goalkeeper from releasing the ball from his hands
• commits any other offence, not previously mentioned in Law 12, for which
play is stopped to caution or send off a player
The indirect free kick is taken from the place where the offence occurred
(see Law 13 – Position of free kick).

As the defender had both feet on the ground when Young ran into him, by these laws it cannot be a direct free kick and therefore a penalty. There is no definition of tackle (or fair tackle/ unfair tackle) and could be anything from blocking/ impeding to full blown grabbing of the opponent and throwing him to the floor). The way that the word is used in these rules does not appear to be the same as the way we think of the action but it appears to be more physical than blocking/ impeding as this is an indirect free kick. We talk of a fair tackle (to deprive a player in posession of the ball by fair interception?) but this is not what the rule seems to imply.
Therefore the only thing that the referee could have given was impeding the attacker (obstruction) which is an indirect free kick. However:


Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the path of the
opponent to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction by an
opponent when the ball is not within playing distance of either player.
All players have a right to their position on the field of play, being in the way of
an opponent is not the same as moving into the way of an opponent.

The defender just stood his ground (which he has the right to do). In actual fact we could argue that Young charged his opponent.

Moses (Wigan) goal ruled out...
Whilst checking this out I realised that the lino was right to point out to Phil Dowd that the goal should not stand. De Gea is impeded because the Wigan player moves about and blocks him off, which is not allowed. If he'd just stood in front of De Gea and not moved around blocking him off it would have been legal. Instead of getting the usual ex footballers on MOTD why don't they have a proper analyst/ ex ref that explains why the ref gave decisions that were correct? (They have that Simon Hughes for the cricket, something like that)

 

[Aguero_Element]

it isnt a debate, young kicked the ball away from the defender he tripped over, then ran towards the defender and stuck his leg out, you CANNOT kick the ball one way then run into someone and get a foul....its obvious

 

[mancity1]

At the time the ref thought Young was fouled and most despite Young's swan dive thought a foul might have been committed.

Replays showed otherwise.

The decision to award a free kick to Villa and book/send off Young could have been made within three seconds of Halsey awarding the penalty much less time than it took for Halsey to ward off the Villa players who were aggrieved with his decision and the time it would have taken to ward off the subsequent complaints from Manure players when his decision was reversed.

I laugh when people come on hear and talk about the impact that such reversals would have on the flow of the game and what would happen next and what if etc etc.

How long did it take from the time the penalty was awarded to the time Rooney scored I wonder?

Get a grip you video replay haters to change or confirm decisions so crucial to the outcome of games.

When you see it in operation you will soon see why your concerns to its introduction were trivial.

 

[twinkletoes]

You know whats ridiculous? That liners aren't even professionals - these are men making decisions that can make or break seasons and potentially cost millions and millions of pounds and they are PART TIME. Surely its a no brainer to shell out a few hundred thousand quid extra each year to pay these guys enough to allow them proper training.

I am talking about getting 17 and 18 year olds having chosen referring as a profession.

They will then be trained to a very high standard and paid accordingly.

Referees are already 'professionals' and on very good money, and yet they still seem to be blind/stupid/corrupt (delete as applicable).

What they need is help, transparent help that we can all see. As in Cricket and Rugby, the public at home can see the same replays the 3rd Umpire can see when making his decision. My only issue is that I'm not sure we can trust the FA to get it right even then. If we take the QPR red card against the rags,and the Mario non red card against the Arse as examples, some fool within the FA had a closer look at the incidents the following day and still decided the referee was right in the first place, which he clearly was not. How we get around this level of blindness/stupidity/corruption(again delete as applicable) is quite beyond me, but paying the perpetrators more is not going to help.

Referees are no way near the standard of professionalism that it takes to be a PL footballer, and that's what I want to be changed.